INTERVIEW: Spencer Declassifies "Captain America: Steve Rogers'" Hydra Secrets, Cosmic Connections

[theoneandonly]

As I mentioned in other thread they will have to travel back in time to fix this mess unless they threaten the Kubix to change him back or else it is the ultimate nullifier for you.

[cyberhubbs]

It would make for a fine plot in Captain America: Sam Wilson. Actually expecting us to follow the soon to be non-entity? No.

His "friends" won't want to help him, they'll want to erase him from existence, and restore the original.

"His "friends" won't want to help him, they'll want to erase him from existence, and restore the original."

As I understand things, THIS Steve Rogers probably doesn't have any friends, as he has been a secret Hydra Agent for almost his entire life. Friends? More like people he can use to further the goals of his lord and master, The Red Skull.

Friends. 'Cause that's what they remember him as. And once they discover that there's Cosmic Cube shenanigans at play, they'll try to set things right. Maybe unsure about what they can and can't believe, but in the end they'll do right by Steve because he'd do right by them.

[Sighphi]

So the standard media doesn't care about comics, but they still ran a story about comics...

They dont care to look for stories dealing with comic books but when Marvel pushes out a story which they sell as something that will get views, clicks, discussion they will go for it. Because it means that they will get views, clicks, discussion.

[ian0delond]

They dont care to look for stories dealing with comic books but when Marvel pushes out a story which they sell as something that will get views, clicks, discussion they will go for it. Because it means that they will get views, clicks, discussion.

I guess someone should tell Marvel to do it every week then.

[Prof. Warren]

So Marvel pumps up a generic story to get wide attention, it's here on paper.

The book will definitely return to what it should've originally be in the comic landscape. This was all just built hype that lead to nothing.

Is this any more "generic" than any other story featuring a superhero would be? No. If anything it looks to really put Cap through the wringer in a way we haven't seen before. And isn't that what superhero fiction strives for - to put heroic characters against challenges that are seemingly insurmountable and then see how they ultimately prevail?

And "it's here on paper". Wow, you discovered evidence that Marvel wanted to generate interest in the comics they publish. Any other secret conspiracies you plan to blow the lid off?

And "all hype that will lead to nothing?" If you're saying that Cap will probably end up besting the Skull and you think that this resolution will somehow invalidate the story that's currently being told, please stop reading superhero comics. If your opinion is that any superhero story that begins with things looking bad for the hero and ends with the hero winning against all odds is that it all led to "nothing", you have no further reason to enjoy a superhero comic ever again. Whatever story's being told in Batman right now? He's going to win in the end. Whatever story's going on in Thor or The Avengers or Green Arrow or, well, you name it - they're going to end with the protagonist pulling out a big win.

This is not some code that you've suddenly cracked - it's how superhero fiction works and has worked since before you started reading comics.

[Prof. Warren]

It would make for a fine plot in Captain America: Sam Wilson. Actually expecting us to follow the soon to be non-entity? No.

His "friends" won't want to help him, they'll want to erase him from existence, and restore the original.

"His "friends" won't want to help him, they'll want to erase him from existence, and restore the original."

As I understand things, THIS Steve Rogers probably doesn't have any friends, as he has been a secret Hydra Agent for almost his entire life. Friends? More like people he can use to further the goals of his lord and master, The Red Skull.

Boy, it's a good thing Nick Spencer has a big story planned for Steve that is better than the one some fans have already written in their own minds.

[Sighphi]

I guess someone should tell Marvel to do it every week then.

Yeah, but fake revelations may not last too long before it gets tiring.

Is this any more "generic" than any other story featuring a superhero would be? No.

The story wasnt sold as being something generic BUT it turned into one very quick.

And "it's here on paper". Wow, you discovered evidence that Marvel wanted to generate interest in the comics they publish. Any other secret conspiracies you plan to blow the lid off?

They generated interest by making a story into something that it wasnt by a whole mess of miles.

And "all hype that will lead to nothing?" If you're saying that Cap will probably end up besting the Skull and you think that this resolution will somehow invalidate the story that's currently being told, please stop reading superhero comics.

No. Im saying that they did not create a story where he has been a Hydra agent since he was a kid.

If your opinion is that any superhero story that begins with things looking bad for the hero and ends with the hero winning against all odds is that it all led to "nothing", you have no further reason to enjoy a superhero comic ever again.

No. Im saying that they did not create a story where he has been a Hydra agent since he was a kid.

This is not some code that you've suddenly cracked - it's how superhero fiction works and has worked since before you started reading comics.

Really? This is how Marvel sells books? They tell you something about the the story that doesnt turn to be about?

[Arghant]

I think the thing that bothers me most about Marvel events or epic stories like this is they don't consider the true ripple effects of a change this massive. Was Steve Rogers' own personal timeline changed and no one else? Because if that's the case, his personal memories won't match up with everyone else and that will be awkward for an infiltrator. If the entire history of the MU was changed, then that means that he acted against his own self-interest and pretended to be the Rogers everyone knew and that he also inspired most of the greatest threats to Hydra in the first place, making him the worst inside man in history.

[Hatut Zeraze]

So if Cap has been altered and he can't fight back against it, because it isn't mind control, what's the point of reading the story? Someone will come in and convince Kobik to put things back to normal. In fact, will probably be a big cross over with the Falcon Cap and the Thunderbolts. Call me when it's all over and Steve is back.

I'm confused by this reaction. The point of reading the story is exactly the same point of reading almost any superhero story - to enjoy the fantastic, strange, exciting ride. I'm not really sure anyone should call you when it's all over. What would be the point of that?

[Dustellar]

So... they rewrote Hydra too? meh! I don't like Red Skull, this is too much synergy for me! bring back Strucker!

[Winterboy]

bring back Strucker!

[Alpha Storm]

So your explanation as to why this doesn't qualify as mind control because our titular character has been obliterated on a fundamental level, and replaced with an evil Nazi version (who you expect us to follow), so there is no way for him to overcome or fight this...

It's like you want to fail.

Yeah that's upsetting. "Our" Steve Rogers is gone, he's not there. He doesn't exist, there are no "memories" for him to get back because he is NOT that Steve Rogers. So basically they just destroyed the character, in the year of his 75th anniversary no less, for reasons that have nothing to do with him and everything to do with other characters. It seems pretty clear from Spencer's interviews he doesn't care about Steve Rogers at all, he's just excited about what he can now do with other characters because the original Steve Rogers is gone, completely replaced by this alternative version. For all intents and purposes Steve Rogers is dead, worse in some ways than when he was shot after the first Civil War.

[Alpha Storm]

"His "friends" won't want to help him, they'll want to erase him from existence, and restore the original."

As I understand things, THIS Steve Rogers probably doesn't have any friends, as he has been a secret Hydra Agent for almost his entire life. Friends? More like people he can use to further the goals of his lord and master, The Red Skull.

Not sure why people don't seem to get this. This Steve Rogers doesn't have memories to get back. He's been Hydra most of his life. These aren't his friends. And even if his friends somehow manage to get the Cube to bring back the original one, the whole story has still meant nothing for the original Steve Rogers. He won't experience it. He was blinked out of existence and he'll, we can only hope, be blinked back into existence and then possibly he'll have to deal with the consequences of whatever this other guy did but it's still nothing to do with him personally, he was "framed".

So this is not a good Steve Rogers, Captain America story, imo. This is potentially a good story for Steve Roger's friends, at Steve's expense.

[berserkerclaw]

Yeah that's upsetting. "Our" Steve Rogers is gone, he's not there. He doesn't exist, there are no "memories" for him to get back because he is NOT that Steve Rogers. So basically they just destroyed the character, in the year of his 75th anniversary no less, for reasons that have nothing to do with him and everything to do with other characters. It seems pretty clear from Spencer's interviews he doesn't care about Steve Rogers at all, he's just excited about what he can now do with other characters because the original Steve Rogers is gone, completely replaced by this alternative version. For all intents and purposes Steve Rogers is dead, worse in some ways than when he was shot after the first Civil War.

spencer does care for Cap. Why else would he be on a cap book. He wants to tell a story. Cap isnt destroyed. Its a comic book. Steve will be back when the story gets to that point.. this is just another in a long line of red skull uses cosmic cube to alter reality and beat Cap.

[Alpha Storm]

spencer does care for Cap. Why else would he be on a cap book. He wants to tell a story. Cap isnt destroyed. Its a comic book. Steve will be back when the story gets to that point.. this is just another in a long line of red skull uses cosmic cube to alter reality and beat Cap.

More money? He gets paid right? More he writes, the more he gets paid. Or because he views it as a sort of continuation of his work on Sam Wilson's book? What better way to build up Sam Wilson than to denigrate Steve Rogers? And the longer the real Steve Rogers is gone(because he's not writing about the real Steve Rogers, he's writing about this, for lack of a better word, replacement) the more chance for it to get to the point most of their new audience doesn't care because they don't know the real Steve Rogers.

Plenty of reasons for Spencer to work on this Steve Rogers book that have nothing to do with caring about Steve Rogers. One of the main ones is, this isn't the original Steve Rogers, this is some guy who looks like him with a completely different past. So he isn't even writing about him, he's writing about another guy. It's not in the interviews, his interviews have next to nothing to do with Steve because this story has nothing to do with Steve. Pretty clear Spencer is more interested even in Red Skull than he is in Steve. So another reason for him to be on Cap's book, he can write about Red Skull to his heart's content too.