Villains that Need to Die...For Good

[klinton]

Not counting the original handful of appearances waaayyyy back when Stan Lee was doing the writing. Even then, her and Quicksilver didn't want to be badguys, they just felt they owed Magneto.

Right. If you read her appearances in the brotherhood (all...three issues of it?), she and Pietro weren't at all 'villainous'.

It used to be funny, all of the Wanda hate. For real. I mean why not? It's comics and we should be able to poke fun and enjoy the stories. What's happened now is that this rubbish has been repeated, recycled and quoted (near verbatim) by so many for so long, that people who have no idea what they're on about genuinely believe what they're saying...because everyone else is saying it, so it has to be true, right?

Enough is enough. It's absurd at this point. /shrug.

[Darth Phoenix]

but killing the hellfire brats would mean they have to appear in another comic and nobody wants that. Can't we just pretend they never existed

I want them eaten by Selen, or have Shaw snuff them out and reboot the Hellfire Club.

[Tony Stark]

Bullseye.

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[CJStriker]

Scarlet Witch because she is basically just a tool like the Cosmic Cube, Infinity Gauntlet etc. for other villains to take control of and manipulate, at this point I think she has been manipulated by every major villain but Thanos and that is probably going to happen eventually. She had one chance to become a amazing character and become a standalone villain after House of M, but Marvel blew it and retconned her into being manipulated once again by yet another villain her character is just pitiful at this point, I feel sorry for her fans.

This post just reeks of complete ignorance of the character. Seriously. I'm not being an ass here, or anything.

Wanda's life is so much more than your insinuations here. She's starred in hundreds of stories, of which...five...were about her being manipulated? She's running on par with most other heroes, and lagging behind your average X-man.

It's fine that you have no idea of who she is (and thus, by extension, little grasp of Avengers history at all...given that she's a central part of most of it). No one expects that everyone know and/or love every character. It's not even a remotely possible pursuit, to be honest.

What would be nice though, for a change, is for X-fans to stop spouting this sort of misinformation by wrote. Constantly. It's incorrect. Wanda is not, nor has she ever been, a 'villain'. It's just not the case.

She didn't 'miss her one opportunity to become an amazing character'. She's been an amazing character for decades.

Everything Really the could be said to anwer your post Rochedalaix was said well indeed by Klinton.

I will just add my 2 cents as well, but indeed Very Well Done Klinton.

Hero manipulation is the bread and butter of comics, everyone hero has been threw it multiple times, so Villains even are specialist in this field. Saying cause a hero has been manipulated by a villain is why they are no good in then turn has to be applied to every hero as well cause each have been down a the same Roads. It is life of the superhero, in each comic, in each universe, DC Comics just as much as Marvel and so forth.

The manipulation by a villain to explain Dissembles and HoM was also used to help save her character as well. Bendis's version tore to the very soul of who she was and completely tried to destroy her character and her history from start to finish. Manipulation by a Villain says nay and says the core of her character is fine, this in-turn then saves her from the purgatory she had been in and saved the core of her character, so in this case manipulation, like in many other stories, helps to explain greatly why the bad things happen in a clear form, especially when a character such as Wanda her whole life has been a Good Person Among Good People.

Also, the idea of True Villains is So Lost in the Wanda Argument IMO. HoM story, even after the recon was a story of tragedy and manipulation. True Villains are people who decided to do Bad things by their own free will and wants. They plot, plan and manipulate what they need and give much to little care to what others think or who gets hurt. To be a Villain in true form is that of choice and free will, it gets lost in this when it comes to Dissembles and HoM.

Finally, saying she lost her chance to be an Amazing Character is not correct in the least. As Klinton said, she always had been an amazing character, in fact why Dissembles hit so badly was that she be the LAST one anyone would believe to have been apart of it and with the recon that makes it so. Bendis had to Breakdown her Whole History to make it work, but that was a task that did not work at all cause it was sloppy and filled with holes the size of trucks! Wanda's history is that of True Heroics, Love, Training and Friendship, their are bumps yea, but nothing out of what others don't go threw. 98% of her Carrier, at the Very Least, has been heroic!

[MyriVerse]

Rule Zero is always: "Nothing is permanent."

But Thanos is just a one-note.
I've seen about as much as I can stand of Kang/Immortus... including that teen version of him.
Apocalypse, I'm not a fan.
And there's been way too much Celestial garbage recently, and none of it has shown them to be the great enigmas they should be. They need to be put to bed for a while.

And if you want to consider it a villain: No more real Phoenixes. No more of this godlike power that threatens existence.

[stingnewell]

Magneto
Carnage
Green goblin
Dracula

[Tendrin]

With the rise of political parties like the Golden Dawn, I think Red Skull is more relevant then one would think. However Red Skull is one of those villains who is so evil, you want him get a real punishment, not just a slap on the wrist.

Agreed. The Red Skull will always be relevant because the fascist impulse is alive and well, both here in the U.S. and abroad. It's descriptors may vary, but the root core of what fascism is will always be with us.

It's not all armbands and swastikas, after all.

[Alan2099]

Magneto
Carnage
Green goblin
Dracula

How can anyone hate Dracula?

I mean classic Dracula, not the new Legacy of Kain version. Everybody hates that one.

[Rochedalaix]

This post just reeks of complete ignorance of the character. Seriously. I'm not being an ass here, or anything.

Wanda's life is so much more than your insinuations here. She's starred in hundreds of stories, of which...five...were about her being manipulated? She's running on par with most other heroes, and lagging behind your average X-man.

It's fine that you have no idea of who she is (and thus, by extension, little grasp of Avengers history at all...given that she's a central part of most of it). No one expects that everyone know and/or love every character. It's not even a remotely possible pursuit, to be honest.

What would be nice though, for a change, is for X-fans to stop spouting this sort of misinformation by wrote. Constantly. It's incorrect. Wanda is not, nor has she ever been, a 'villain'. It's just not the case.

She didn't 'miss her one opportunity to become an amazing character'. She's been an amazing character for decades.

I'm not ignorant of the character I have read a lot of Avenger comics with the Scarlet Witch in them and for the most part I find the character boring, the only 2 highlights of her entire super hero career that I thought she was amazing in is during her fight against Morgana, and Red Zone, in everything else I remember her being just a plot device or being manipulated by a villain. As for her being a amazing character for decades I agree to disagree with you.

[t hedge coke]

Nobody needs to "die for good." But, it'd be nice, too, if some good deaths lasted awhile, and if Marvel was less worried about telling set-in-the-past stories if a character really "needs" to be used.

The idea that many resurrections are to maintain trademarks and copyrights doesn't seem to really hold up under contemporary copyright or trademark law (but then, it's not as if there isn't an odd (and sometimes tragic) history of Marvel and Marvel employees misunderstanding copyright and trademark law).

[stingnewell]

How can anyone hate Dracula?

I mean classic Dracula, not the new Legacy of Kain version. Everybody hates that one.

Just the Legacy of Kaine version I hate how he needs a cartoon appearance and is suddenly being played up as some important figure in comics when in reality
he's more of a threat to Blade.

[tsaimelemoni]

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Sorry!

He's not a terrible villain, just...annoying sometimes. We can work this out, I swear! He can die, but then come back in 5 years. Deal?

[klinton]

I'm not ignorant of the character I have read a lot of Avenger comics with the Scarlet Witch in them and for the most part I find the character boring, the only 2 highlights of her entire super hero career that I thought she was amazing in is during her fight against Morgana, and Red Zone, in everything else I remember her being just a plot device or being manipulated by a villain. As for her being a amazing character for decades I agree to disagree with you.

Also despite what you may think I don't hate her for decimation or House of M, I hate her for not following through. If Scarlet Witch followed through with decimation and tried to finish the job that would have made her a amazing character to me but instead after waiting 6 years all I got was a bunch of back pedaling and retcons why it wasn't her fault that is not amazing that is lame.

It's not up for debate. I was flat out telling you: you are incorrect. Wanda is every bit the hero as any other X-man or Avenger. Much more so than most. You've listed her appearances in, what, ten issues out of hundreds and are trying to make definitive statements about how she's 'always' being manipulated. And you're wrong.

You don't have to like her. You don't have to know her story. You can find her dull as dust, and never wish to see her in a comic on that account. What you think of her is your business, and I'm not trying to change that.

I'm asking only that you double check your facts before trying to pass it off as anything but too often repeated rubbish. This idea of demonizing Wanda was funny at one time. It's clear that too many people actually believe a lot of the misinformation though. That they don't care to read up on her is thier business. That doesn't mean we, as fans, can't set it straight. Because it affects the audience, the feedback Marvel gets, and the stories we get to read.

I'm not trying to be rude, but I really don't think I'm asking the moon and stars here: think before you type and don't repeat third hand information as if it were fact. Because it's not.

[Supernature]

Apocalypse and the Phoenix Force.

I've had enough of these two for the next 3 decades !

[Mutant God]

Well first of Cyclops is not a villain.

I think Selene and Madelyne Pryor should have stayed dead. Selene resurrected the dead so her punishment should be to stay dead, Madelyne died because of her obsession of bing the true Jean Grey.

To debate againt Osborn, I like that he moved on to Iron Patriot because he was now a poltical villain for Avengers and SHIELD, a xenophobe to Iron Man compared Iron Man's communist villains (Crimson Dynamo).

Daken he died by blowing up a train station just to anger his father and for that he should stay dead.