Villains that Need to Die...For Good

[Rochedalaix]

Everything Really the could be said to anwer your post Rochedalaix was said well indeed by Klinton.

I will just add my 2 cents as well, but indeed Very Well Done Klinton.

Hero manipulation is the bread and butter of comics, everyone hero has been threw it multiple times, so Villains even are specialist in this field. Saying cause a hero has been manipulated by a villain is why they are no good in then turn has to be applied to every hero as well cause each have been down a the same Roads. It is life of the superhero, in each comic, in each universe, DC Comics just as much as Marvel and so forth.

The manipulation by a villain to explain Dissembles and HoM was also used to help save her character as well. Bendis's version tore to the very soul of who she was and completely tried to destroy her character and her history from start to finish. Manipulation by a Villain says nay and says the core of her character is fine, this in-turn then saves her from the purgatory she had been in and saved the core of her character, so in this case manipulation, like in many other stories, helps to explain greatly why the bad things happen in a clear form, especially when a character such as Wanda her whole life has been a Good Person Among Good People.

Also, the idea of True Villains is So Lost in the Wanda Argument IMO. HoM story, even after the recon was a story of tragedy and manipulation. True Villains are people who decided to do Bad things by their own free will and wants. They plot, plan and manipulate what they need and give much to little care to what others think or who gets hurt. To be a Villain in true form is that of choice and free will, it gets lost in this when it comes to Dissembles and HoM.

[B]Finally, saying she lost her chance to be an Amazing Character is not correct in the least. As Klinton said, she always had been an amazing character, in fact why Dissembles hit so badly was that she be the LAST one anyone would believe to have been apart of it and with the recon that makes it so. Bendis had to Breakdown her Whole History to make it work, but that was a task that did not work at all cause it was sloppy and filled with holes the size of trucks! Wanda's history is that of True Heroics, Love, Training and Friendship, their are bumps yea, but nothing out of what others don't go threw. 98% of her Carrier, at the Very Least, has been heroic!

I think actions decide whether someone is a villain not just intent and since fixing her harmful actions during House of M were responsible for the plot of X-Men for 6 years she was a villain. I believe motivation is the most important thing when I decide whether a character is worthy of existing or not, I also think the definition of hero or villain is not static and depends on what comics you follow for example in Decimation Scarlet Witch was a villain, in AvX and most of her career she was a hero. To be fair to Scarlet Witch even though I don't like her as a hero either, I should have said when she is a villain she is a bad one since her motivation is usually I was a tool of another villain instead of what the readers are originally led to believe.

I also stand by my statement that she lost her one chance to become a amazing character to stand out among the rest. With the Scarlet Witch Marvel wasted the potential to tell a powerful story about regrets, forgiveness, and redemption, and if done right I probably would have thought the Scarlet Witch was a amazing character afterwards but since they back pedaled that isn't the case.

[MyriVerse]

How can anyone hate Dracula?

I mean classic Dracula, not the new Legacy of Kain version. Everybody hates that one.

I don't like Marvel's version. I think it's too much a rip on the classic Hollywood Bela Lugosi version (and I. Hate. That.). But I did like him more in the recent X-Men x-over. He's supposed to be more Medieval warrior prince and less Victorian fop.

Also the future Brotherhood needs to go. They stink.

I don't mind the ones that aren't related to Mystique. I think the rest were kind of interesting spins on their present-day counterparts. While I really don't like the idea of Wolverine and she having a brat, I think Bendis missed an opportunity-- her other kid should have been the son of Cyclops! not Xavier.

Kitty leaving made no since.

Kitty's always having a tantrum. This was just her modern version of "Xavier's a jerk!" only now she's old enough to say, "Screw you guys, I'm going home." She did have a point about them trusting her. Honestly, nothing short of Avengers makes sense for her anymore.

The hellfire brats all of them.

I wouldn't mind them being the modern equivalent of the Hellions, but not running the show. Their parents need to come back (from the dead) and spank the living flesh from them.

[Kieran_Frost]

Moonstone – there is no redeeming this character, she has caused too many problems for too many people so I don’t see why someone hasn’t taken her out yet. Like most of the characters on this list she’s someone that really wouldn’t be too difficult to replace given that her powers come from the moonstones she has and aren’t innate abilities.

[MyriVerse]

I agree. Everybody in GoT should die for good.

[FuzzyBlueElf]

I love Mystique but she needs to die for a good few years maybe sort out whatever the hell she is supposed to be fighting for and have her kept away from writers who just make her crazy for no damn reason.

[Myetche]

I love Mystique but she needs to die for a good few years maybe sort out whatever the hell she is supposed to be fighting for and have her kept away from writers who just make her crazy for no damn reason.

I think she just needs to get out of the continuity mess that is the X-Men for a while. Sort of a "back to basics" thing.

[klinton]

I think she just needs to get out of the continuity mess that is the X-Men for a while. Sort of a "back to basics" thing.

Aye, she's being horribly misused at the moment. If I'm following Bendis' current mess over in the X-books correctly, she's behind...well, everything, everywhere, all the time. :/

[Alan2099]

Aye, she's being horribly misused at the moment. If I'm following Bendis' current mess over in the X-books correctly, she's behind...well, everything, everywhere, all the time. :/

Everything in the X-books is being horribly misused at the moment and has since Morrison.

[klinton]

Everything in the X-books is being horribly misused at the moment and has since Morrison.

Agreed. I hoppd on the X-books again with AvX after a hiatus of many years and I hardly recognize these characters anymore. The names are the same, but everyone's a mess (even by X-men standards, where you expect a little bit of 'out there', hahaha).

The Cyclops solo is really good though. Amazing X-men has it's moments too. It's not a complete wash currently. It's a far cry from what one expects from such a rich pool of characters though.

[Emma's Midriff]

SHIELD is the biggest group of villains in the M.U. right now. It's why Cyclops is trying to stop them.

Scarlet Witch doesn't need to die, but she does need to go away.

[Rochedalaix]

SHIELD is the biggest group of villains in the M.U. right now. It's why Cyclops is trying to stop them.

Scarlet Witch doesn't need to die, but she does need to go away.

Fair enough I can agree with that, just write her out.

[Emma's Midriff]

Fair enough I can agree with that, just write her out.

I think the people who call Kitty and Cyclops villains, but say Wanda has never done anything wrong are hilarious.

Kitty was just trying to protect the O5 from the Brotherhood ffs.

[ImprobableQuestion]

Maybe Mystique can go back to being an anti-hero /anti-villain instead of full-on baddie.

And I might add that Kitty isn't exactly on board with Cyclops right now. She gave him a fist bump in All-New when she found out where the New Xavier Institute was hidden, but she's also been angry over the way he acts around Teen Jean. She appears to be using the NXI as a place to teach the O5 without interference.

[Emma's Midriff]

Maybe Mystique can go back to being an anti-hero instead of full-on baddie.

And I might add that Kitty isn't exactly on board with Cyclops right now. She gave him a fist bump in All-New when she found out where the New Xavier Institute was hidden, but she's also been angry over the way he acts around Teen Jean. She appears to be using the NXI as a place to teach the O5 without interference.

Exactly. The O5 wanted to leave because the JGS made it clear that they didn't want them there and would just continue to try and send them back (just like the Brotherhood). Kitty made it her mission to protect the young O5 (Xavier's Dream). Cyclops simply offered them a place to live without being bothered by the JGS.

[Rochedalaix]

I think the people who call Kitty and Cyclops villains, but say Wanda has never done anything wrong are hilarious.

Kitty was just trying to protect the O5 from the Brotherhood ffs.

Kitty is not a villain and Cyclops is a villain depending on what books you read. I personally think Magik and Cyclops are the best villains in the Marvel universe, and recently the only villains I think even come close to Cyclops and Magik are the Apocalypse twins.

I don't know why people would want to kill off Cyclops right now whether they see him as a villain or a hero because he is one of the best characters Marvel has right now.

Everything in the X-books is being horribly misused at the moment and has since Morrison.

I think Uncanny X-Men hasn't been horribly misused since Messiah Complex for the most part Uncanny has been right on track unlike the other X-Books.