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    Default Did Anything Important Happen Between New 52 and Rebirth?

    I'm genuinely asking. As far as New 52 goes, what are the major takeaways?

    Briefly: I was pretty hardcore into DC comics from the lead-up to Infinite Crisis (circa the Geoff Johns Green Lantern: Rebirth) up until New 52. I stopped reading monthly titles when New 52 hit because I hated the whole concept (plus, I was in law school and didn't have a lot of time).

    Now that the New 52 era has come to a close, I want to jump back in for all the Rebirth stuff. I've already read some of it, but I'm just wondering if there are a few major things to know about from the New 52 era that are relevant to Rebirth (for instance, why is Superman missing?) and some brief background on what I need to know.

    I'm well-versed in general DCU continuity and history, so you can assume I speak the language. I've just been a little out of the loop for a few years! Any help would be much appreciated.

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    I'm gonna assume you read the Rebirth one shot, but still:

    -Wally West is back.

    -New 52 Superman died and Pre-flashpoint Superman took his place. This Superman also brought the Lois from his world and their son, Jon.

    -Darkseid died and got reborn into a baby

    I think that's it, really. Honestly, you can just jump on. Everything is explained anyway.

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    Haha nice. Is that really it?? Makes me glad I skipped all that New 52 stuff.

    I mean, was any of it any good? I read and enjoyed the first 10 issues of GL (but mostly because it was a direct continuation of everything Johns had been doing on GL up until the "relaunch"). I remember Animal Man being really good, did not like the Scott Snyder Batman stuff...

    About Superman, that's pretty cool. So was that pre-Flashpoint Superman that I saw in the Superman: Rebirth one shot? Also, about Darkseid and Superman dying...were their deaths somehow coincident? Like, did they both die as part of the same storyline? I feel like I saw some JLA storyline called the Darkseid Wars...or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleTakeTom View Post
    I'm genuinely asking. As far as New 52 goes, what are the major takeaways?

    Briefly: I was pretty hardcore into DC comics from the lead-up to Infinite Crisis (circa the Geoff Johns Green Lantern: Rebirth) up until New 52. I stopped reading monthly titles when New 52 hit because I hated the whole concept (plus, I was in law school and didn't have a lot of time).

    Now that the New 52 era has come to a close, I want to jump back in for all the Rebirth stuff. I've already read some of it, but I'm just wondering if there are a few major things to know about from the New 52 era that are relevant to Rebirth (for instance, why is Superman missing?) and some brief background on what I need to know.

    I'm well-versed in general DCU continuity and history, so you can assume I speak the language. I've just been a little out of the loop for a few years! Any help would be much appreciated.
    Well, let's see.

    The current Superman is actually the one from before the new52, thrown into the new52. The new52 version died. But there are hints that the current Superman isn't who he thinks he is.

    Early in Batman's career, he met and was aided by a young man named Duke. The older-now Duke is apparently going to be helping Batman out now.

    Tim Drake was briefly Batman's sidekick like the rest, but he has always called himself "Red Robin".

    Wonder Woman found out that she was the daughter of Zeus rather than made of clay. And she became God of War to stop the previous one. And the Amazons used to raid ships and have sex with sailors and kill the sailors and give the male children to Hephestus to work in his factory. But now WW is learning that maybe some of that might not have been true...

    Aquaman thought Black Manta killed Aquaman's father, so Aquaman killed Black Manta's father. Or something like that.

    There was an original Titans group of Robin, Speedy, Aqualad, Wonder Girl, Lilith, Kid Flash, etc. They had a big battle with a demon and the result was that everybody forgot that the group had existed as a group. Everybody forgot Wally West completely, as he was thrown into the Speed Force. He has returned, and everybody is now remembering Wally and the Titans.

    Something obviously happened to Donna Troy when she was forgotten too, because a witch acted like she was creating Donna just recently. Donna was brainwashed and killed all the male Amazon children. But clearly she existed earlier but we don't know where she went.

    Flash is Flash, although he never died and Wally was never Flash. But there's a much younger Wally West (the two cousins were both named after the same grandfather or some such) who just recently got speed powers.

    There was a recent Teen Titans group (that thought it was the first, but now we know not really) but the teen heroes really didn't have strong connections to the older ones so it was kinda bland and didn't work. But this Wonder Girl is the niece of Wonder Woman (assuming she is still the daughter of Zeus).

    The most recent Superboy was still a clone but he wasn't very nice and nobody really liked him He has kinda disappeared.

    Green Lantern hasn't changed much. Most recently, the Guardians all died, Hal became the leader of the Corps, but then everybody but him disappeared, but they are scheduled to return soon....

    Martian Manhunter learned he was some kind of weapon created by the Martian race when they thought they were being attacked, something like that.

    Firestorm was Ronnie and Jason for a while, but looks like they are changing it back to Ronnie and Martin.

    Green Arrow found out he has a little sister, whose mother is Shado. So rather than Shado being with Ollie, she was with Ollie's father.

    Black Canary was a mercenary, then she joined a rock band.

    There was a fight between the Justice League, some members of the Crime Syndicate, another girl born on Paradise Island, the Anti-Monitor, and Darkseid, and Darkseid was killed, but now he's a baby. Meanwhile, a girl possessed by the evil ring of Power Ring from the Crime Syndicate overcame her fear and helped save the day, and was awarded a regular Green Lantern ring.

    Damian Wayne was killed, but he got better. Still a little jerk.

    All i can think of at the moment.

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    Yeah, Glenn covered a lot. If you are confused about anything else, just ask though.

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    Wow! Incredibly helpful rundown, Glenn. Much appreciated.

    Some of that is pretty crazy stuff. Hal is running the GLC now?? That's insane lol.

    So Time Drake was never Robin? That's lame. So who was Batman's Robin? Or rather, what is the canon succession of Robins at this point (Dick, Jason...)?

    And do we know what the deal with the JSA is? The fact that they got rid of them in New 52 was a huge reason I stopped reading. I heard that the JSA is coming back, or being folded back into continuity, but do we know how that's going to work yet? Like, is it going back to the way it was, where the JSA preceded the JLA and formed the original generation of spandex? I absolutely loved back when Geoff Johns was writing it, both before and after Infinite Crisis. I want that team and all those characters back!

    Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself...

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    Cyborg is a founding member of the Justice League
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    Glenn, that was an awesome summary. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleTakeTom View Post
    I mean, was any of it any good? I read and enjoyed the first 10 issues of GL (but mostly because it was a direct continuation of everything Johns had been doing on GL up until the "relaunch"). I remember Animal Man being really good, did not like the Scott Snyder Batman stuff...

    About Superman, that's pretty cool. So was that pre-Flashpoint Superman that I saw in the Superman: Rebirth one shot? Also, about Darkseid and Superman dying...were their deaths somehow coincident? Like, did they both die as part of the same storyline? I feel like I saw some JLA storyline called the Darkseid Wars...or something?
    Superman died in an arc called The Final Days of Superman that's widely considered to be pretty good. Darkseid was not in it. I assume Superman was there when Darkseid died, but I don't actually know. It definitely happened before Final Days.

    Personally, I really liked Action Comics in general, and issues 0-18 in particular are probably my favorite run on Superman- but not everyone feels the same way.
    A lot of people thought the Truth arc of Action preceding Final Days was really bad and the prior issues by the same writer were really good, but I thought they were exactly the same in terms of quality- good, but questionable in terms of how often Superman loses his battles.

    Azzarello's run on Wonder Woman is highly divisive. I thought it was excellent, some others thought it was very bad.

    I really like the current Doctor Fate series, but you'll probably be able to tell just by looking at it whether you'll like it. I really like the Cyborg ongoing as well, but you need to take his status as founding member of the Justice League in stride- if it bugs you, I could imagine you being thrown off the whole character, even though there's only one or two issues with members of the League in his series. The first couple volumes of Flash are good, I can vouch for that, but not beyond them.

    Haha, I guess I mostly read Superman books, so that's what I can talk about with authority!

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    At some point I hope to add "New 52 Superman died, but got better" to the list, but other than that Glenn was spot on.

    As for Superman and Darkseid dying, there is actually one connection to both stories. It was at the end of Darkseid War that saw Superman receive his first diagnosis that he was dying (he initially got sick as a result of successive genetic-altering events, one of them the "godhood" he achieved in this story, and then the power loss and Kryptonite-infused chemotherapy he got in Truth).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleTakeTom View Post
    So Time Drake was never Robin? That's lame. So who was Batman's Robin? Or rather, what is the canon succession of Robins at this point (Dick, Jason...)?
    Tim Drake was still Batman's third partner, after Dick and Jason; it's just that he started out calling himself Red Robin rather than Robin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleTakeTom View Post
    And do we know what the deal with the JSA is? The fact that they got rid of them in New 52 was a huge reason I stopped reading. I heard that the JSA is coming back, or being folded back into continuity, but do we know how that's going to work yet? Like, is it going back to the way it was, where the JSA preceded the JLA and formed the original generation of spandex? I absolutely loved back when Geoff Johns was writing it, both before and after Infinite Crisis. I want that team and all those characters back!
    We don't know much yet. DCU Rebirth reveals that in the post-Flashpoint timeline, the JSA was a team of covert mystery men who helped end WWⅡ. As with pre-Flashpoint history, they were last seen in a HUAC hearing where they were being pushed to take off their masks. Unlike pre-Flashpoint, Johnny Thunder panicked and made a wish that caused the JSA to disappear; he then lost the Thunderbolt and ever since has been trying to find it so that he can bring the JSA back. That's where things stand right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlennSimpson View Post
    Tim Drake was briefly Batman's sidekick like the rest, but he has always called himself "Red Robin".
    Because, at a key moment - when he wouldn't take on the name "Robin" because he did not want to step on dead Jason Todd's legacy - he suddenly lost all sense of imagination and couldn't even come up with something like "the Crimson Talon." (This was before Court-of-Owl Talons, but anyway it's just one of a dozen easy examples.) So he picked something really, really close to "Robin" and named himself after a hamburger chain. My theory is that he spotted a take-out menu in the Batcave.

    And she became God of War to stop the previous one.
    That's not quite right. She found herself in a position where, to stop the First Born - and to stop the First Born from killing Ares, which would make the First Born the God of War - she had to impale both Ares and the First Born. (The physical layout was complicated.) This killed Ares, but he approved of her choice. (She didn't want to kill Ares.) It didn't kill the First Born, but it stopped him for the moment.

    The whole idea that "if you kill one of the Greek gods, you take on his position in the pantheon" had never come up before, never came up again (unless - is that how Donna Troy became Fate?), and is unrelated to any myth I know. Also, it turns out that when the Fates are properly empowered, the gods simply cannot die (when Donna Troy became Fate, the dead Ares and Apollo simply popped up alive again), so it's hard to imagine this situation came up very often. But everybody seemed to know just what was going to happen, so I guess there's an instruction manual on this stuff.

    There was an original Titans group of Robin, Speedy, Aqualad, Wonder Girl, Lilith, Kid Flash, etc. They had a big battle with a demon and the result was that everybody forgot that the group had existed as a group. Everybody forgot Wally West completely..... Something obviously happened to Donna Troy when she was forgotten too, because a witch acted like she was creating Donna just recently.
    Also everybody forgot Garth was ever Aqualad. But everybody remembered that Robin existed and had been Batman's sidekick. And that Speedy worked with Green Arrow, but the "considerably younger sidekick" bit seemed to have faded out. The effects were a pretty random clustermess (if you'll excuse the expression), when you come right down to it.

    But there's a much younger Wally West (the two cousins were both named after the same grandfather or some such) who just recently got speed powers.
    Thank you so much for including all the detail necessary without resorting to calling him "Black Wally," which I bet he doesn't appreciate.

    Black Canary was a mercenary, then she joined a rock band.
    'Cause why not, right?

    Damian Wayne was killed, but he got better. Still a little jerk.
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    Re: Red Robin and the restaurant chain - where I live, we have a string of car washes called Red Arrow. The name thing really isn't a big deal. At worst, they probably don't have Red Robin restaurants in the DCU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleTakeTom View Post
    And do we know what the deal with the JSA is? The fact that they got rid of them in New 52 was a huge reason I stopped reading. I heard that the JSA is coming back, or being folded back into continuity, but do we know how that's going to work yet? Like, is it going back to the way it was, where the JSA preceded the JLA and formed the original generation of spandex? I absolutely loved back when Geoff Johns was writing it, both before and after Infinite Crisis. I want that team and all those characters back!

    Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself...
    No, we really don't know what the deal with the JSA will be. Don't even know when they will get to it.

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