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    Default Duke Thomas Height Weight ?

    I recently bought the new "Batman Character Encyclopedia" that has short profiles and stats for the new Batman Characters.

    What I found strange is that Duke was listed as 1.86m (~6'1'') and 58.5kg (~129 lbs) which doesn't really fit his appearance in the comics.

    But my cops of the book seems to be a "translated" one which has all stats in metric units. There seems to be an other version of the book with imperial units. Does anybody own the "imperial" version of the book and can tell me if these stats are correct or if it the translator made a mistake?
    my guess is that the numbers were switched and the correct would be 1.68m (~5'6'').
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    I think you're exactly right. I'm 5'5" and around 120 with a similar build, so Duke being 5'6" is very plausible.
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    The Character Encyclopedia has crazy stats for a lot of characters, even prior to translation. I love that sort of trivia, so I wish they put more effort into creating realistic heights and weights.

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    5`6 seems the most plausible. 6`1 is just too much, IMO.

    Out of curiosity what are the the stats for Tim, Jay and Dick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadeb View Post
    The Character Encyclopedia has crazy stats for a lot of characters, even prior to translation. I love that sort of trivia, so I wish they put more effort into creating realistic heights and weights.
    Do you have the untranslated version?

    Dick 1.78m 79 kg (= 5'10'' 175 lbs)
    Jason 1.83m 82 kg (= 6'0'' 180 lbs)
    Tim 1.68m 59kg (= 5'6'' 128 lbs)
    Damian 1.37m 38 kg (= 4'6'' 84 lbs)

    I have actaully a list where i collect the stats from different publications for the Batfamily, that why I'm trying to reference Dukes hight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aahz View Post
    I have actaully a list where i collect the stats from different publications for the Batfamily, that why I'm trying to reference Dukes hight.
    Could you please post it? I'd love to know the official numbers for everyone.
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    Here, the "injustice" stats are from some wikia, I couldn't really track down where the stats in the wikia came from. And the one from Batman Character Encyclopedia are roughly conveted from metric, they may be a little bit diffrent in the original.

    Bruce Wayne
    ???, 180 lbs (Detective Comics #214)
    6’1, 185 lbs. (Detective Comics #141 cover, World's Finest #51)
    ???, 189 lbs. (Star Sprangled Comics #91)
    6’2”, 200 lbs. (Arkham Origins)
    6’2”, 210 lbs. (Who's Who Vol 1 #2 1985 , Batman Annual #13, Secret Files an Origins (Batman, Batman Allies, No Man's Land, Gotham, Superman-Batman), Who's Who: Update '87 Vol 1 #1, Who's Who #16 1991, Encyclopedia, Ultimate Character Guide, Batman Sourcebook 1st ed. , Batman Sourcebook 2nd ed., Arkham Asylum, Arkham Knight, Arkham City, Injustice, Batman Character Encyclopedia)

    Dick Grayson
    5’8”, 140 lbs. (Batman Sourcebook 1st ed. )
    5’10”, 175 lbs. (Secret Files and Origins (Batman, Nightwing, Batman Allies, Teen Titans #1, Teen Titans – Outsiders #1), Who's Who Vol 1 #17 1986, Who's Who: Update '88 Vol 2 #2, Who's Who #14 1991, Ultimate Guide, Encyclopedia, Ultimate Character Guide, Injustice, Batman Character Encyclopedia)
    6’0”, 175 lbs. (Batman Annual #13, Batman Sourcebook 2nd ed.,)
    6’0”, 175 lbs. (Arkham Knight)
    6’0”, 187 lbs. (Who's Who Vol 1 #19 1986 (Earth Two))

    Jason Todd
    4’6” 87 lbs. (Who's Who: Update '87 Vol 1 #5 )
    5’0”, 110 lbs. (Batman Annual #13, Batman Sourcebook 2nd ed.)
    5’2”, 105 lbs. ( Who's Who Vol 1 #19 1986 (Earth One) ,Encyclopedia)
    5’4”, ??? (New Titans #55)
    5’4”, 115 (Batman Sourcebook 1st ed. (Earth One))
    6’0”, 180 lbs. (Secret Files an Origins (Batman Villians 2005), Batman Character Encyclopedia)
    6’0”, 190 lbs. (Ultimate Character Guide)
    6’0”, 200 lbs. (Arkham Knight)
    6’0”, 225 lbs. (Encyclopedia)

    Tim Drake
    5’1”, 115 lbs. (Who's Who #10 1991, Secret Files and Origins (Batman, Young Justice), Ultimate Guide)
    5’5”, 125 lbs. (Encyclopedia, Secret Files and Origins (Sins of Youth, Teen Titans – Outsiders #1), Injustice)
    ???, 130 lbs (Robin 13)
    5’6”, 131 lbs. (Secret Files and Origins (Batman Allies), Batman Character Encyclopedia)
    5’6”, 145 lbs. (Ultimate Character Guide)
    5’9”, 140 lbs. (Batman Family Vol2 #5 page 2)
    5’10”, 170 lbs. (Arkham City)
    6’0”, 189 lbs (Arkham Knight)

    Damian Wayne
    4’6”, 84 lbs. (The Batman Files, Batman Character Encyclopedia)
    5’2”, 120 lbs. (Ultimate Character Guide)
    5'4'', 140 lbs. (Injustice)
    5’10”, 175 lbs. (Injustice)

    Barbara Gordon
    5’2”, 105 lbs. (Arkham Origins, age barly 15)
    ???, 110 lbs (Batgirl Year One #4)
    5’4”, ??? (Detective Comics #388)
    5’6”, 121 lbs. (Who's Who Vol 1 #2 1985 (Earth One), Batman Sourcebook 1st ed.)
    5’7”, 116 lbs. (Secret Files and Origins (JLA Vol 2))
    5’7”, 126 lbs. (Secret Files and Origins (Birds of Prey), Injustice)
    5’11”, 126 lbs. (Who's Who #7 1991, Secret Files an Origins (Batman, Batgirl), Ultimate Guide, Arkham Asylum, Arkham City, Arkham Knight(as Oracle))
    5’11”, 135 lbs. (Batman Annual #13, Who's Who: Update '87 Vol 1 #1, Batman Sourcebook 2nd ed., Arkham Knight(as Batgirl), The Batman Files)
    5’11”, 148 lbs. (Encyclopedia, Ultimate Character Guide, Batman Character Encyclopedia)

    Stephanie Brown
    5’5”, 110 lbs. (Secret Files and Origins (Batman), Ultimate Guide, Batman Character Encyclopedia)
    5’5”, 129 lbs. (Encyclopedia)
    5’5”, 142 lbs. (Ultimate Character Guide)

    Cassandra Cain
    5’4”, 123 lbs. (Secret Files and Origins (Batman Allies))
    5’5”, 110 lbs. (Secret Files and Origins (Birds of Prey, Batgirl, No Man's Land), Ultimate Guide, , Batman Character Encyclopedia, The Batman Files)
    5’5”, 127 lbs. (Encyclopedia)

    Alfred Pennyworth
    5'9'', ??? (Detective Comics 110)
    6’0”, 150 lbs. (Batman Sourcebook 1st ed.)
    6’0”, 160 lbs. (Batman Annual #13, Secret Files and Origins (Batman), Ultimate Guide, Encyclopedia, Who's Who: Update '88 Vol 2 #4, Ultimate Character Guide, Batman Sourcebook 2nd ed., Arkham Asylum, Arkham Knight, Arkham City, Batman Character Encyclopedia)
    6’0”, 170 lbs. (Arkham Origins)

    Jean-Paul Valley
    6’2”, 210 lbs. (Secret Files and Origins (Batman, No Man's Land), Ultimate Guide, Encyclopedia, Who's Who: Update '93 #1, The Batman Files)

    Helena Bertinelli
    5’9”, 120 lbs. (Secret Files and Origins (JLA Vol 2))
    5’11”, 130 lbs. (Who's Who #6 1991, Secret Files and Origins (Batman, Birds of Prey), Injustice, Batman Character Encyclopedia, The Batman Files)
    5’11”, 148 lbs. (Ultimate Guide, Encyclopedia, Secret Files and Origins (Gotham), Ultimate Character Guide)

    Helena Wayne
    5’10”, 127 lbs. (Dark Knight Daughter, Who's Who Vol 1 #10 1985)

    Selina Keyle
    5’7”, 125 lbs. (Who's Who #16 1991, Secret Files and Origins (Batman, Batman Villians 1998), Ultimate Guide, Detective Comics Annual #2, Arkham Asylum, Arkham City, Arkham Knight)
    5’7”, 128 lbs. (Who's Who Vol 1 #4 1985, Who's Who: Update '87 Vol 1 #2, Secret Files and Origins (Catwoman), Batman Sourcebook 1st ed., Batman Sourcebook 2nd ed., Batman Character Encyclopedia, The Batman Files)
    5’7”, 129 lbs. (Who's Who Vol 1 #4 1985 (Earth Two))
    5’7”, 133 lbs. (Secret Files and Origins (Batman Allies), Encyclopedia, Ultimate Character Guide, Convergence Catwoman #2)
    5’9”, 135 lbs. (Injustice)

    Talia Al Ghul
    5’6”, 120 lbs. (Batman Sourcebook 1st ed.)
    5’7”, 141 lbs. (Arkham City)
    5’8”, 120 lbs. (Secret Files and Origins (Superman - Batman), Who's Who #16 1991, Batman Sourcebook 2nd ed., Batman Character Encyclopedia)
    5’8”, 140 lbs. (Secret Files and Origins (Batman Villians 2005), Ultimate Character Guide)
    5’8”, 141 lbs. (Encyclopedia)

    Lonnie Machin
    5’2”, 115 lbs. (Who's Who #14 1991, Anarky Vol 1)
    5’6”, 145 lbs. (Arkham Origins)
    5’8”, 150 lbs. (Encyclopedia, Secret Files and Origins (DCU Heros))

    James Gordon
    5’9”, 168 lbs. (Batman Annual #13, Who's Who: Update '87 Vol 1 #2 , Who's Who #16 1991, Secret Files an Origins (Batman), Encyclopedia, Batman Sourcebook 2nd ed., Batman Character Encyclopedia, The Batman Files)
    6’0”, 165 lbs. (Batman Sourcebook 1st ed., Night in Gotham)
    6’0”, 180 lbs. (Arkham Origins, Arkham Asylum, Arkham City, Arkham Knight)

    Kate Kane
    5’11”, 145 lbs. (Encyclopedia, Ultimate Character Guide, Injustice, Batman Character Encyclopedia)

    Kathy Kane
    5’6”, 123 lbs. (Who's Who Vol 1 #2 1985)

    Bette Kane
    5’6”, 120 lbs. (Who's Who #2 1991 , Secret Origins Annual #3 ?, Secret Files an Origins (Teen Titans #2), Batman Character Encyclopedia)
    5’6”, 123 lbs. (Encyclopedia)

    Michael Lane
    6’0”, 175 lbs. (Ultimate Character Guide)
    6’2”, 209 lbs. (Batman Character Encyclopedia)
    6’2”, 210 lbs. (Arkham City, Arkham Knight)

    Onyx Adams
    5’9”, 120 lbs. (Who's Who Vol 1 #17 1986)
    5’9”, 146 lbs. (Secret Files and Origins (Batman Allies), Encyclopedia)

    Gavin King
    6’2”, 180 lbs. (Encyclopedia)
    6’2”, 195 lbs. (Secret Files and Origins (Guide to the DC Universe 2001-02))

    Luke Fox
    5’9”, 170 lbs. (Batman Character Encyclopedia)

    Harper Row
    5’5”, 112 lbs. (Batman Character Encyclopedia)

    Calivin Rose
    5’10”, 175 lbs. (Batman Character Encyclopedia)

    Mary Turner
    5’7”, 120 lbs. (Batman Character Encyclopedia)
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    Btw. the stats of Luke Fox seem also not really fitting, if any body owns the imperial version of the book it would be nice if he could check Luke as well.

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    Amazing comprehensive list Aahz, thank you!

    Didn`t realize Arkham Tim or comic Talia were as tall. Barbara seems kinda tall too. Noice! I like tall women. Jason seems one of the most consistantly pegged in these kind of lists as an adult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aioros22 View Post
    Barbara seems kinda tall too.
    The 5’11” doesn't make much sense imo. That would make her taller than Dick and her Father (who is usually also drawn taller than 5'9'') which is definitely not the case. The 5’7” seems more fitting. The problem is just that some writers just reuse older stats without thinking about it.
    One of the dumbest cases (which I forgott to list here) is that the Batman files where it is claimed that Jason was 4’6” 87 lbs at the age of 15.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aioros22 View Post
    Jason seems one of the most consistantly pegged in these kind of lists as an adult.
    Most consitent seem to be Bruce at 6’2”, 210 lbs and Dick at 5’10”, 175 lbs.

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    Great list, Aahz, thank you!

    Talia skews a bit shorter than I imagined, and Cass on the whole is several inches taller. And there was a version of Steph at 142 lbs and 5'5"? Damn, sounds like she must've been jacked. Was that as Batgirl?
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    he was 15/16 when we last saw him, its 2 years later he is due for another growth spurt soon, so 6'1 may not be too off

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caivu View Post
    Talia skews a bit shorter than I imagined, and Cass on the whole is several inches taller. And there was a version of Steph at 142 lbs and 5'5"? Damn, sounds like she must've been jacked. Was that as Batgirl?
    It was at Batgirl, the book was published in 2011 it is basically the status directly before flashpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caivu View Post

    And there was a version of Steph at 142 lbs and 5'5"? Damn, sounds like she must've been jacked. Was that as Batgirl?
    That's actually a fair representation of a somewhat muscular young woman. Of course, Damian threw some weight jokes at her at the time. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Aahz View Post
    The 5’11” doesn't make much sense imo. That would make her taller than Dick and her Father (who is usually also drawn taller than 5'9'') which is definitely not the case. The 5’7” seems more fitting. The problem is just that some writers just reuse older stats without thinking about it.
    One of the dumbest cases (which I forgott to list here) is that the Batman files where it is claimed that Jason was 4’6” 87 lbs at the age of 15.


    Most consitent seem to be Bruce at 6’2”, 210 lbs and Dick at 5’10”, 175 lbs.
    I think it's just cognitive dissonance with writers. They just take their own height/weight and extrapolate it.

    I think they'd be best served going off of stats of martial artists/body builders.

    In the real world, I'm 5'10" and shooting for 175 lbs. Dick will still be much more heavily muscled than I am, so he should weigh more. Batman at 6'1"/6'2" as he's drawn should be more in the 230-240lbs range.

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    This is really dope

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