All-New Marvel is Starting to make me All-Pissed

[ellerguy]

Hey I am new to this forum, thanks for reading my post! Anyway I have been a big Marvel fan all my life and have read 1000s of comics and there has been many thinks that I have loved and also not loved. However this new Universe Marvel has done a great job of screwing up IMO has successfully made my monthly subscription price go down. Now hear me out. I am not against blacks, girls, LGBTQ or any of the minorities but I am against them changing many of the most popular characters just so they can look more tolerant or perhaps so it doesn't seem they are racist or whatever they could possibly have used to justify their awful decision making. If they want to make a more diversified cast then by all means go ahead! But leave the main names out of it (i.e. Hulk, Wolverine, Iron man, Thor..) I mean it completely ruins those heroes for me and I know I am not alone. My fellow comic readers that I talk to almost all agree with me that Marvel is heading in the wrong direction. I Absolutely love the new Ultimates comic and that has 3 girls and a black guy with one of the girls being a lesbian so why cant they do more like that. But no, lets change 4 of the arguably top 10 most popular heroes completely. Sorry I am ranting but I just wanted to see what others are saying about this outside my friend circle. Please let me know what you think! As for now I am only Subscribed to all the Star Wars Comics, Moon Knight and Punisher from Marvel and have dropped all my other titles, looks like I might pick up some more DC.

[Tycon]

Now hear me out. I am not against blacks, girls, LGBTQ or any of the minorities.

Heeeerrreeeee weeeee gooooo.

[Valamist]

I for one am happy with the direction Marvel is currently taking. I like the events, and there are some great books on the shelves (My favorites include The Ultimates, Old Man Logan, The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl, Hellcat!, Mighty Thor & All-New Wolverine) That's not to say they are perfect, oh no. I would like to see more original characters and to see Marvel taking more chances on new character and storylines. I would also like them to stick to their actions more. Keep characters dead, do not go back on legacy changes (Really hoping Jane-Thor stays in the Marvel world for a while longer!) etc.

As for the main topic of the OP, I for one am all for Legacy heroes. For me, a superhero is not defined by their mantel or what they call their costume. They are characters. I love Jenifer because she is Jenifer, not She-Hulk. Same for Carol Danvers, and all my other favorite characters. I do not mind who wares the mantel, so long as they are interesting characters. It can also be a good chance for new characters to take the spotlight, and to explore how the same ideals and values can be differently explored (For example, I really love how Nick is showing Sam Cap and Steve Cap as having very different views actions on subjects).

If that's not for you then for enough, perhaps DC will be more to your liking, but I for one am sticking with Marvel.

[Kusanagi]

Doesn't Steve have a book, and won't Thor Odinson be getting a new book in the fall?

[Icefalcon]

Doesn't Steve have a book, and won't Thor Odinson be getting a new book in the fall?

There is a book with Steve's name on it. I wouldn't call it Captain America though

[Overhazard]

This thread hasn't gone south yet, but it will.

You know OP, if this stuff upsets you, you don't have to read it, really, I mean that in the most sincere, non sarcastic, non condescending way that I can convey online. Find other things you like and move on. Most contemporary marvel books don't really interest me these days, so I decided to let go and move on. I check out the previews and look at events, but for the most part it feels like a big ball of blah and I've come to terms with it. Change is good.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Me? I don't care much about Marvel these days. They are slowly but surely losing me with these almost annual relaunches/reboots/restarts.

[OttoMan]

Me? I don't care much about Marvel these days. They are slowly but surely losing me with these almost annual relaunches/reboots/restarts.

Isn't that what's been going on over at DC? Relaunch... Reboots... and Restarts???

[jackolover]

I wasn't crazy about the All New Marvel, but only the reboot, none of the other issues. If some of the books had made it obvious that the villains were conspicuous by their absence, and that something would be addressed on that matter, we would at least have had some sort of mystery to build towards Standoff and Civil War II. But now that CWII is creating this out of control train heading towards a divided universe, it's become a lot more interesting than the pretty lame way ALL NEW MARVEL started. It's got me wondering how Marvel intend to justify a precog as the justice system for super hero activity?

[Galerion]

Eh. Voted no but meant to vote yes. If a moderator who reads this could change it then I would be happy.

Don't care to add anything else to this discussion because it has been beaten to death and will accomplish nothing. Still have a nice day anyway.

[somacula]

OP is racist and should feel bad, also I think legacy characters should earn their mantles instead of receiving them on a silver platter

[Dthirds123]

I liked parts of it, Doctor strange, all new wolverine, and Hercules(dam marvel for canceling it Hercules was a great book) are my favorite things to come out of it, the rest i thought was meh, except for how the X men were treated, that pissed me off.

[regg215]

I have mostly been unhappy with ANAD Marvel. The books are just geared toward the next big event too often and the creators seem to be more focused on creating headlines instead of story lines.I have no problem with Amadeus Cho, Jane Foster, Sam Wilson or Riri Williams, but I wish we didn't have to get these characters at the expense of Steve Rogers, Bruce Banner, Tony Stark and Odinson. I am all for diversity, it is much needed and I love marvel giving the spotlight to new characters. I just wish they could find a way to do that without killing off, replacing, or turning older characters evil. It's hard to root and support these newer characters when I know that it means that an older character will be diminished in order to promote the new character.

[FishyZombie]

I don't like Civil War II, especially after they killed Bruce Banner in a really dumb, anti-climatic, easilly avoidable way>
But other than that I'm still enjoying it. Particularly Doctor Strange, JaneThor and Vision.

[ellerguy]

I have mostly been unhappy with ANAD Marvel. The books are just geared toward the next big event too often and the creators seem to be more focused on creating headlines instead of story lines.I have no problem with Amadeus Cho, Jane Foster, Sam Wilson or Riri Williams, but I wish we didn't have to get these characters at the expense of Steve Rogers, Bruce Banner, Tony Stark and Odinson. I am all for diversity, it is much needed and I love marvel giving the spotlight to new characters. I just wish they could find a way to do that without killing off, replacing, or turning older characters evil. It's hard to root and support these newer characters when I know that it means that an older character will be diminished in order to promote the new character.

Exactly my point! I didn't say I have a problem with the characters as I knew people would think I'm being a bigot or whatever I just don't like loosing some good characters in the titles I like.