"All-New X-Men" #12 Features Surprise Return Of Major X-Villain

[Hulkout42]

So even her clone gets doubles, but 2 Jeans are just not possible eh?

Yeah, as if Marvel will ever grant us that kindness.

[Ambaryerno]

Seeing the interaction between X and Cyclops just makes it more painfully obvious how horrible the Angel relationship is, and just how much BETTER the relationship between Laura and Scott Bendis teased would have been. Those two had more chemistry in SIX PANELS than Laura and Warren have had in TWELVE ISSUES under Hopeless, to say nothing of just how forced and artificial it felt under Bendis.

There's NOTHING about "Larren" that works. Hopeless tries to set them up as Not So Different, while ignoring the fact that the difference they do have is HUGE. He pays lip service to how Warren chose to take on the Vortex, but then tries to compare Warren's situation to Laura's. Magically, Laura "understands" him just because Warren knows what it is to be driven by instincts he struggles to control. Y'know, even though he's a privileged twat who CHOSE THE DAMN THING, while Laura is fighting conditioning forced down her throat through years of emotional and physical torture, abuse, and loss. What's especially troubling is that if you listen to Laura's rant about how Warren has treated her — the constantly belittling her choices, the chastising front of their friends — that's outright ABUSE. PERIOD. This is NOT a healthy relationship, no matter how Hopeless tries to spin it.

There's also the fact that the problems Laura argues with Warren about (her cutting, difficulties expressing her emotions, struggles finding acceptance among her peers) were addressed LONG ago. It relies entirely on either pretending the Liu series didn't happen, or that she's been faking the entire time. And yes, I get that such issues aren't so easily addressed in real life, (frankly, Laura would be in serious need of professional help if she was a real person) but narratives have to move forward in order for characters to develop and grow.

I was really trying to give Hopeless a chance to get this ship righted, but I'm done. ANXM is off my pull list.

[Gray Lensman]

It's even worse when you consider that it's Scott and Laura who have the similar backstory narratives. They aren't the same, but they do rhyme (to borrow a phrase about history). Trying to shoehorn Warren in such a fashion looks really bad.

[Hulkout42]

Maddie and Jean are a completely different case compared to Laura and Logan. Maddie doesn't just share Jean's DNA...she literally didn't exist until the Phoenix brought her to life with Jean's memories, psyche, and life force. That makes Maddie more than just a clone or identical twin, but another manifestation of Jean herself.

No it didn't, Madelyne is a clone of Jean made by Sinister to get the combo he wanted of Summers/Grey DNA AKA Nathan and who later got demonic powers. The Phoenix never entered that equation at all.

[Ambaryerno]

It's even worse when you consider that it's Scott and Laura who have the similar backstory narratives. They aren't the same, but they do rhyme (to borrow a phrase about history). Trying to shoehorn Warren in such a fashion looks really bad.

Yup. Both abuse victims who lost their families and have been on their own from a young age, and have been used by others for their gifts. Compound that with Tyke's situation of being unfairly judged for things his adult self has done (whereas Laura still faces judgment for her past, even if she has largely reconciled it).

[Gray Lensman]

Yup. Both abuse victims who lost their families and have been on their own from a young age, and have been used by others for their gifts. Compound that with Tyke's situation of being unfairly judged for things his adult self has done (whereas Laura still faces judgment for her past, even if she has largely reconciled it).

And both somewhat owe their very existence to amoral scientists - Laura has Rice and genetic experiments, while Scott has Sinister and his eugenics program.

[Askani's Flame]

No it didn't, Madelyne is a clone of Jean made by Sinister to get the combo he wanted of Summers/Grey DNA AKA Nathan and who later got demonic powers. The Phoenix never entered that equation at all.

Except, in the 616 case, Madelyne only gained consciousness when the Phoenix force went to awake Jean and mistakenly went to Madelyne. without its spark she was a lame clone.

[AJpyro]

Yup. Both abuse victims who lost their families and have been on their own from a young age, and have been used by others for their gifts. Compound that with Tyke's situation of being unfairly judged for things his adult self has done (whereas Laura still faces judgment for her past, even if she has largely reconciled it).

And both somewhat owe their very existence to amoral scientists - Laura has Rice and genetic experiments, while Scott has Sinister and his eugenics program.

These two should be closer friends considering the crap they've gone through.

[somacula]

These two should be closer friends considering the crap they've gone through.

They seemed to be well adjusted and comfortable with each other as if they'd been friends for a long time. With Cyclops going to a flagship it'll give him more chance to bump into x 23 outside of ANXM and hopefully become closer

[nx01a]

They seemed to be well adjusted and comfortable with each other as if they'd been friends for a long time. With Cyclops going to a flagship it'll give him more chance to bump into x 23 outside of ANXM and hopefully become closer

It's nice to see a Cyclops and a Wolverine as such good friends. No need for anything romantic and eventually angsty.
I'm hoping Laura will become part of Champions at some point... but I doubt it.

[somacula]

It's nice to see a Cyclops and a Wolverine as such good friends. No need for anything romantic and eventually angsty.
I'm hoping Laura will become part of Champions at some point... but I doubt it.

We already had that discussion and after enemy of the state II Laura will be a PR nightmare for a while

[Kurolegacy]

It's nice to see a Cyclops and a Wolverine as such good friends. No need for anything romantic and eventually angsty.
I'm hoping Laura will become part of Champions at some point... but I doubt it.

Well judging by her reaction back when Scott left the team to go with his dad, she had at least some kind of spark going for him under Bendis' pen before Laurren became the thing we can't seem to get rid of.

[ZNOP]

That's like saying when someone having sex with X 23 is banging Logan...

Hardly... Laura isn't a 100% genetic clone of Logan like Maddie is when compared to Jean.

Maddie is her own person and doesn't take comparisons with Jean lightly...

[Ambaryerno]

Hardly... Laura isn't a 100% genetic clone of Logan like Maddie is when compared to her Jean.

The canon is that 100% of Laura's genetic material comes from Logan. Kyle himself has stated this is the case, and at no point have the books said otherwise.

[ZNOP]

No it didn't, Madelyne is a clone of Jean made by Sinister to get the combo he wanted of Summers/Grey DNA AKA Nathan and who later got demonic powers. The Phoenix never entered that equation at all.