"All-New X-Men" #12 Features Surprise Return Of Major X-Villain

[nx01a]

No it didn't, Madelyne is a clone of Jean made by Sinister to get the combo he wanted of Summers/Grey DNA AKA Nathan and who later got demonic powers. The Phoenix never entered that equation at all.

A fragment of the Phoenix animated Maddie's otherwise brain-dead body after Dark Phoenix 'killed' itself on the moon. It stayed in her until the Inferno issue containing the panel above... which I love.

[Gray Lensman]

The canon is that 100% of Laura's genetic material comes from Logan. Kyle himself has stated this is the case, and at no point have the books said otherwise.

Which is odd when you consider she looks alot like her 'mother' including having her eye color and not Logan's. Especially since the green eyed gene is dominant over blue - which means that Laura probably did not receive her eye color from Logan as a matter of basic science. Green eyed kids coming from blue eyed parents is possible, but it involves getting the right genetic mutations to pair up - which would require outside DNA (mother and father both have blue eyes but each carries a recessive trait that creates the green pigmentation when combined - this also could result in 2 blue eyed parents having a brown eyed kid).

But basically, without some outside DNA (as in, not from Logan), Laura's eyes would have to be blue.

[Ambaryerno]

Which is odd when you consider she looks alot like her 'mother' including having her eye color and not Logan's. Especially since the green eyed gene is dominant over blue - which means that Laura probably did not receive her eye color from Logan as a matter of basic science. Green eyed kids coming from blue eyed parents is possible, but it involves getting the right genetic mutations to pair up - which would require outside DNA (mother and father both have blue eyes but each carries a recessive trait that creates the green pigmentation when combined - this also could result in 2 blue eyed parents having a brown eyed kid).

But basically, without some outside DNA (as in, not from Logan), Laura's eyes would have to be blue.

Oh I agree her resemblance to Sarah doesn't make genetic sense. That's probably part of why the fanon that Sarah used her own genetic material in the process of creating her is so popular, and I wouldn't mind at all if it became canon; that Laura looks like Sarah because she truly IS her daughter.

However one thing to consider is that doubling Logan's X chromosome this way could have some bizarre implications for gene expression (if you really want to get technical, it would significantly increase her risks for congenital defects if bad genes are duplicated in that manner).

[ChibaMariners]

There's no way she could not have material from Sarah Kinney. Anyone play MGS? All the clones failed until they used Eva as a surrogate womb. And even then the clones that were successful(Sold, Liquid) even though they looked like babies still were essentially a 35+ year old man with bad habits like smoking. The only difference there is Logan has a healing factor to keep him looking young.

[Ambaryerno]

There's no way she could not have material from Sarah Kinney. Anyone play MGS? All the clones failed until they used Eva as a surrogate womb. And even then the clones that were successful(Sold, Liquid) even though they looked like babies still were essentially a 35+ year old man with bad habits like smoking. The only difference there is Logan has a healing factor to keep him looking young.

Who cares what MGS does? MGS = / = Marvel Universe. They're two completely different franchises playing by two completely different sets of rules. It's like that stupid "Star Wars ships can't fight Star Trek ships, because Star Wars uses lasers and Star Trek says lasers can't penetrate their shields," argument.

I'm also not sure how Logan having a healing factor to keep him looking young is relevant, either. First, he's not a clone. Second, new research into real-world cloning has disproven the "A clone is of the same genetic age as the the subject being cloned" nonsense. Dolly the Sheep may have died unusually young, but other clones have exhibited completely normal aging and lifespans, with no indication that they're aging at an accelerated rate because their DNA "started older."

[ZNOP]

The canon is that 100% of Laura's genetic material comes from Logan. Kyle himself has stated this is the case, and at no point have the books said otherwise.

Using the only available genetic sample from Weapon X, which was damaged, they were unable to salvage the Y chromosome after twenty-two attempts. Kinney proposed they create a female clone, and though her request was initially denied, she still went ahead and produced a viable female subject, prompting Sutter to reconsider. Despite resistance from his protégé Doctor Zander Rice, whom Sutter had raised after Rice's father had been killed by a bestial Wolverine at the original Weapon X Project, Sutter allowed Kinney to proceed. As revenge for her insubordination, Rice forced Kinney to act as the surrogate mother for the clone, and she gave birth to "X-23".

[Anduinel]

However one thing to consider is that doubling Logan's X chromosome this way could have some bizarre implications for gene expression (if you really want to get technical, it would significantly increase her risks for congenital defects if bad genes are duplicated in that manner).

Which in turn could have some unhappy implications for Laura's "sisters" down the line, given that they're pretty much clones of a clone.

[Ambaryerno]

Using the only available genetic sample from Weapon X, which was damaged, they were unable to salvage the Y chromosome after twenty-two attempts. Kinney proposed they create a female clone, and though her request was initially denied, she still went ahead and produced a viable female subject, prompting Sutter to reconsider. Despite resistance from his protégé Doctor Zander Rice, whom Sutter had raised after Rice's father had been killed by a bestial Wolverine at the original Weapon X Project, Sutter allowed Kinney to proceed. As revenge for her insubordination, Rice forced Kinney to act as the surrogate mother for the clone, and she gave birth to "X-23".

None of which disputes what I said.

[ZNOP]

None of which disputes what I said.

And, all I'm saying is Laura isn't an identical clone of Logan...

[Ambaryerno]

Which in turn could have some unhappy implications for Laura's "sisters" down the line, given that they're pretty much clones of a clone.

I'm suddenly thinking of that Michael Keaton movie where one of the clones has another clone made, and it ends up....special.

[DDD]

Is that Mystique or Raze?

[ZNOP]

Has Raze been sterilized and killed yet?

[Gray Lensman]

Has Raze been sterilized and killed yet?

He may have been retconned out of existence (or at least having time-traveled back to the present) as a side-effect of the 'climax' (and use that word loosely) of the 'Last Will and Testament' arc of Uncanny - I'm pretty sure Charlie Jr. was, since his parents were never together.

[WallStreeter]

He may have been retconned out of existence (or at least having time-traveled back to the present) as a side-effect of the 'climax' (and use that word loosely) of the 'Last Will and Testament' arc of Uncanny - I'm pretty sure Charlie Jr. was, since his parents were never together.

Mystique still may have already given birth to Raze and Charlie, Jr. In fact we don't know if Charles's marrying Mystique was retconned out of existence, only that Matthew, his hidden mutant, was the one retconned out of existence. Later writers may still use Raze or Charles.

[Ambaryerno]

Mystique still may have already given birth to Raze and Charlie, Jr. In fact we don't know if Charles's marrying Mystique was retconned out of existence, only that Matthew, his hidden mutant, was the one retconned out of existence. Later writers may still use Raze or Charles.

The timeline reset retconned out Xavier and Mystique's marriage, so IF Chuck Jr. was a product of that marriage and not just Xavier diddling around for giggles, eliminating one would eliminate the other.