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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
    This is why I think Skrull Pym is the one that made it malfunction.
    Skrull Pym hadn't been invented yet when Millar wrote Civil War.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    Skrull Pym hadn't been invented yet when Millar wrote Civil War.
    According to Mighty Avengers he was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
    According to Mighty Avengers he was.
    In 2006, when Mark Millar wrote Hank Pym in Civil War, Skrull Pym hadn't been invented yet.

    Skrull Pym didn't exist until 2008 when Brian Bendis created him for Secret Invasion.

    So whatever Pym did in 2006 may have been retconned in-universe as the actions of a Skrull, it is not they way it was written or intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    In 2006, when Mark Millar wrote Hank Pym in Civil War, Skrull Pym hadn't been invented yet.

    Skrull Pym didn't exist until 2008 when Brian Bendis created him for Secret Invasion.

    So whatever Pym did in 2006 may have been retconned in-universe as the actions of a Skrull, it is not they way it was written or intended.
    They even show Pym as a skrull working on the clone in Avengers The Initaitive
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
    They even show Pym as a skrull working on the clone in Avengers The Initaitive
    That does not matter.

    You're completely missing the point.
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    Hank actually brings it up during an argument with Reed. Pym wants to borrow an invention that Bill left to Ben in his will but Reed feels it's better off in his hands. Kind of ironic because Hank helped build it and it was originally left to him first but he had been replaced by a Skrull.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Peril View Post
    Hank actually brings it up during an argument with Reed. Pym wants to borrow an invention that Bill left to Ben in his will but Reed feels it's better off in his hands. Kind of ironic because Hank helped build it and it was originally left to him first but he had been replaced by a Skrull.
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    That's what I thought. I didn't remember it was stated and I actually have that issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    Skrull Pym hadn't been invented yet when Millar wrote Civil War.
    I got all the trades lately, and was amused that the initial books had thought bubbles from Pym, and he was super-obviously *not* a Skrull, and then, under the next writer, he'd been a Skrull all along, and I was like, "Whaatt? Did this writer not even bother to read the book before?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sutekh View Post
    I got all the trades lately, and was amused that the initial books had thought bubbles from Pym, and he was super-obviously *not* a Skrull, and then, under the next writer, he'd been a Skrull all along, and I was like, "Whaatt? Did this writer not even bother to read the book before?"
    So it was a retcon.
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    It was a solid article and actually remember reading it awhile back. One thing though ...is the insane pop ups wanting to remove ad blocker. NO NEW CBR owners...we do not want to remove ad blocker. Please stop having it show back up 2-3 minutes and finally not removing til ya remove ad blocker. Its insane...it pulls people outta reading the articles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SUPERECWFAN1 View Post
    It was a solid article and actually remember reading it awhile back. One thing though ...is the insane pop ups wanting to remove ad blocker. NO NEW CBR owners...we do not want to remove ad blocker. Please stop having it show back up 2-3 minutes and finally not removing til ya remove ad blocker. Its insane...it pulls people outta reading the articles.
    I haven't been to the front page in a year or so purely because of the ad-blocker whining I have to deal with.

    Pop-ups now play over my speakers when I am trying to listen to music in the background, hide the 'close' button (or just don't have one at all anymore) and often run longer than it takes me to read the article I am trying to get to. THAT'S why my ad-blocker is staying on, and if the CBR owners want me to turn it off, get control of your ads and make them sane again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Lensman View Post
    I haven't been to the front page in a year or so purely because of the ad-blocker whining I have to deal with.

    Pop-ups now play over my speakers when I am trying to listen to music in the background, hide the 'close' button (or just don't have one at all anymore) and often run longer than it takes me to read the article I am trying to get to. THAT'S why my ad-blocker is staying on, and if the CBR owners want me to turn it off, get control of your ads and make them sane again.
    If your adblocker is the AdBlock extension, you can easily train it to block the ad-blocker whining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gray Lensman View Post
    I haven't been to the front page in a year or so purely because of the ad-blocker whining I have to deal with.

    Pop-ups now play over my speakers when I am trying to listen to music in the background, hide the 'close' button (or just don't have one at all anymore) and often run longer than it takes me to read the article I am trying to get to. THAT'S why my ad-blocker is staying on, and if the CBR owners want me to turn it off, get control of your ads and make them sane again.

    Sadly I doubt they get control of anything. Its been a long time and its why i stopped reading articles on front page then too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
    So it was a retcon.
    It probably was - it should be mentioned though, by those of us who remember it, that Bendis had already planted the seeds of some kind of big conspiracy, and that some unseen force was working against the heroes, even prior to CW - in fact, his entire New Avengers run was initially built on this - all the way from issue #1, when Electro breaks people out of the Raft.

    I'm not sure if it was really Skrulls initially, but the way he writes, he had probably had plans for Secret Invasion in one form or another, Skrulls included, for a VERY long time.

    The part with Pym was probably a retcon though, since he mentioned that they had big meetings about which characters would turn out to be Skrulls, prior to SI - and it seemed like it was AFTER CW these talks took place.


    There's a perfectly reasonable No-prize in-universe explanations for the thought-bubbles though - it was established early on that the reason Telepaths couldn't see the difference between the Skrull copies and the originals was because the Skrull infiltrators all had complex MYSTICALLY transferred memory-implants -PERSONALITY-implants even...! They even had a scene where it was revealed that the Pym-copy had to be replaced, several times, because Pym's personality was so unstable, that he'd start thinking he's Pym, and having his trade-mark Bipolar mixed hyper-switching -which then could end up blowing everything.

    They also had ANOTHER example of this, where the transplanted personality completely overrode the Skrull - Captain Mahr-Vehl - his Secret Invasion intro-mini-series revealed this (and it was GREAT!).

    With this in mind - those thought-bubbles can EASILY be explained away, with the fact that at that moment, the Skrull-imposter Pym really BELIEVED he was Pym.

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