Originally Posted by
JFP
Can you find me actual quotes from people who said, "All creators delays happens because the creators get bored"? Seriously. Find me quotes where people said this. I'm damn sure I never said all the delays were due to creators getting bored.
Its right there in the thread yes. And I never said YOU said it, but some did. As far as I remember the only thing you said was you belived most of these creators have procrastninated because of boredom. Which I still disagree with but clearly acknowledged some likely do
As many pointed out, the delays weren't happening between arcs. They were happening in the middle of arcs. And sometimes the cancellations were happening before even the twelfth, sixth, or even third issue.
And as many have pointed out this really hasnt happen as much as some people like to think to justify their anger. Plenty of times these delayes have been announced beforehand or people did not realize that some of these were bi-monthly books. Again some poster confuse ongoing with monthly. Not saying you do but a lot of these threads are full of posters that do.
This new 3-issue policy obviously means Image does not have faith many creators are able to finish their comic before issue 3. That says a lot. A whole lot. When you're a comic book publisher and you don't have faith the majority of creators can get to 3 issues (yes, just 3 freaking issues) before cancelling, that says you don't trust the work ethic of creators.
So it's not only fans who think creators mainly quit due to boredom. It's obvious Image also thinks creators quit before issue 3 out of boredom.
So you never said it was out of boredom but you think Image thinks that based on nothing really? Again if you actually look at the past this has not really happened that often. But I dont disagree with this being a fine enough rule. When its the first few issues you can Work on them for a long time beforehand and do some other Work at the some time so you can actually survive. But that is not always the case with a series that has been going on for more then that. I still think the right way forward is the Saga model of breaks between acts, or just announce it as bi-monthly from the start. Or as a minimum talk to the customers and let them know what is going on. And I want to be clear this is all my view on it from a buissness perspective. Personally I buy plenty of things so if a title is delayed it is not really a problem for me.
capuga is not right about all of that. Nor am I right about all of that. We haven't been told the expenses of the magazine. I'm willing to concede he may be right. I'm also willing to believe he might be wrong. If he's right, then I'll admit he's right. Simple.
I believe it is naive to believe Image is doing the magazine without believing they'll get noticeable profit off it. Why would they give themselves extra work for something that they don't believe will give them noticeable profit?
Do you really believe they are doing this mainly for the creators out of the goodness of their own heart and expecting little to no profit? If so, why aren't they trying other types of advertising such as radio, TV, newspaper, and movie ads? Why not make posters and sign ads to put in comic book stores? Why are the only advertising through a magazine? Maybe because a magazine is the only type of advertisement they can see the possibility of making a noticeable profit. It would be ridiculous for Image to expect their distributor to want to go to the trouble of distributing a magazine they don't think will be profitable. It would be ridiculous for Image to expect they want retailers to go through the trouble of trying to sell a magazine they don't think will be profitable. Do you think Image told their distributor and comic bookstore owners, "We're putting out a new magazine. We don't think there will be money out of it. But we want you to spend time and labor trying to sell a product, our magazine, which we don't think you'll make a profit from"?
By the way, it's interesting capuga has pointed out the creators of the bonus comic are most likely gonna work for free, as if he doesn't see anything wrong with this. When fans appear to ask their creators to work for free, he seems outraged, "You want them to work for free or lose money? That's stupid and you're selfish and entitled." But when Image asks creators to work for free, where is his outrage?
If fans had said, "Hey, Kirkman and Adlard, could you make a Negan backstory and sell it for free to us fans out of goodwill and promotion?" He would sneer at us and say, "You fans are entitled because you want creators to work for free." But when Image appears to ask for the Negan story for free out of goodwill and promotion, he shrugs his shoulders. This is the kind of thing I was talking about how fans who never question industry professionals making it difficult for things to move forward.