Does Marvel produce better movies than DC because they tell better stories?

[AcesX1X]

Holding your children back because of that fear is selfish.

superman american alien dealt with the topic in a similar fashion. it is really a conundrum. the kents were charged with raising a god and teaching him compassion and human values. they were also charged with teaching him how to be a human amongst men as well as an alien god who will one day learn how to fly.

it's easy to judge jonathan kent and act like he was supportive of letting those kids drown, but he wasn't. he didn't tell clark that he did a bad thing. he just warned them that his actions had consequences. and they did.

if you remember, pete ross and his mother showed up immediately after and wanted to worship clark like a jesus. now imagine that widespread and imagine what that would do to the psychology of a young man with zero world experience, unlimited power, and no one to show him any balance.

like it or not, the kents had to teach clark humanity along with his powers. otherwise, they run the risk of not providing him the moral compass he needs to not be a monster (like ZOD).

jonathan's lesson wasn't to not save those kids on the bus, or to let him die. it was to consider every action carefully, because every action will have a consequence.

superman cannot save everyone and remain clark kent. that's a lie the comics have told. one that the movie at least made an attempt to address.

whether it was successful or not is up for debate of course..

[Agent Z]

Holding your children back because of that fear is selfish.

Thankfully, that's not what Jonathan did. He just told Clark to be careful.

[Agent Z]

Yet they taught him his secret couldnt come at the cost of others. They were the type of parents you could see raising someone who became superman. You can be over protective without it coming to maybe you should let a bunch of kids drown. The tone set by snydes superman makes sense given the parents who raised him.

So did Snyder's Kents.

[Agent Z]

When your kids secret is maybe(He did say maybe so ill be fair) more important then the lives of all the kids on that bus, selfless goes out the window. Clark uses his powers he might be exposed and someone might try to take him away. He does nothing those kids are all dead. Its a no brainer, and these are supermans parents they should be held to a higher standard then a typical realistic parent.

You think it's that simple? You obviously aren't a parent.

[Forseti]

superman cannot save everyone and remain clark kent. that's a lie the comics have told. one that the movie at least made an attempt to address.

That's not a lie in the comics, it's a conceit and as such you shouldn't address it unless you're deconstructing the source material. And that's something Goyer and Snyder are incapable of doing successfully. (Among all the other things they're incapable of.)

[Agent Z]

When your kids secret is maybe(He did say maybe so ill be fair) more important then the lives of all the kids on that bus, selfless goes out the window. Clark uses his powers he might be exposed and someone might try to take him away. He does nothing those kids are all dead. Its a no brainer, and these are supermans parents they should be held to a higher standard then a typical realistic parent.

You think it's that simple? Ask any parent and I doubt they'd agree with you.

[Carabas]

Holding your children back because of that fear is selfish.

And telling your kid that perhaps saving a bus full of other kids was perhaps a bad thing he shouldn't have done is... misguided at best.

I don't have a problem with Snyder!PaKent's motivations and reasons and stuff. It's the godawful things that come out of his mouth.

[Agent Z]

And telling your kid that perhaps saving a bus full of other kids was perhaps a bad thing he shouldn't have done is... misguided at best.

I don't have a problem with Snyder!PaKent's motivations and reasons and stuff. It's the godawful things that come out of his mouth.

If you watch that scene, he's clearly just as confused as Clark. All he say is "maybe" and there is a very clear pause before he does.

[Midvillian1322]

You think it's that simple? You obviously aren't a parent.

I obviously am, and i woud never consider myself selfless. The fact you guys are arguing what normal parent would do is proving my point. The kents arent suppose to be normal parents. They are supermans parents, he was raised by the best the world has to offer. Thats how u get the big blue boyscout



As for snyders Kents teching clark that his secret cant come at the cost of others. They go the opposite way, clark takes it upon himself to turn himself into zod and save ppl. We knw the dads take and his mom says **** like you dont owe them anything. Nothing about that statement is true to superman. If Alfred said that to bruce id be fine with it, but superman and the kents are suppose to be something more. And being saint like is not anymore unrealistic then Aliens and Greek gods. Snyder went for two regular ppl trying to do there best with an impossible situation. If they were raising anyone but superman i dont think they would have gotten any negative reactions

[AcesX1X]

If Alfred said that to bruce id be fine with it, but superman and the kents are suppose to be something more.

another lie that absolutely no one said the superman movies had to stick to. if you didn't like it, that's your business. but there is no reason whatsoever that writers can't take the time to apply some humanity to the kents. except preconceived notions on the part of the audience.

personally, i thought it was great. it's an impossible job and the kents are going to have feelings about things that should sometimes show above the morals they are meant to represent.

[Forseti]

another lie that absolutely no one said the superman movies had to stick to. if you didn't like it, that's your business. but there is no reason whatsoever that writers can't take the time to apply some humanity to the kents. except preconceived notions on the part of the audience.

personally, i thought it was great. it's an impossible job and the kents are going to have feelings about things that should sometimes show above the morals they are meant to represent.

They didn't apply any more humanity to the Kents than there was in the comics. It's just another facet of the concept. They also didn't need to challenge the concept of Superman by confronting him with Morton's Fork-like dilemmas.

If you take an iconic property only to strip away tone, mood and theme to replace them with radically different ones, chances are you're not going to capture what made the original iconic in the first place. All the things you use as justifications are just things they wrote. The problem is that they shouldn't have written it that way.

[Midvillian1322]

another lie that absolutely no one said the superman movies had to stick to. if you didn't like it, that's your business. but there is no reason whatsoever that writers can't take the time to apply some humanity to the kents. except preconceived notions on the part of the audience.

personally, i thought it was great. it's an impossible job and the kents are going to have feelings about things that should sometimes show above the morals they are meant to represent.

Your right its a opinion but your acting like im the only one who feels this way.

[Holt]

personally, i thought it was great. it's an impossible job and the kents are going to have feelings about things that should sometimes show above the morals they are meant to represent.

And there's probably a better way at painting a picture of complicated moral complexity than having Pa Kent tell Clark to let a bunch of screaming kids die. All that did was make him sound like a sociopath, not a concerned dad.

[Doctor Know]

And there's probably a better way at painting a picture of complicated moral complexity than having Pa Kent tell Clark to let a bunch of screaming kids die. All that did was make him sound like a sociopath, not a concerned dad.

Pa Kent didn't say let them drown. He said maybe. Pa and Ma Kent are concerned with people learning what Clark can do and how the world would react to it. Ya know, similar to how parents of mutants react when they discover their children have powers. There first instinct is never "you should put on a costume and immediately go out there and fight crime". It's always conceal and keep it a secret. Which as MOS and BvS reinforce, is something that Clark does not and cannot do.

[Charlie Rock]

And they wouldn't be in some tiny little Kansas town. The gas station would probably be a Casey's, not even sure they have 7-11s in Kansas.

Quick Trip. There is a 7-11 in Kansas City, but on Missouri side.