why is superman in the movies so depressed , boring and nothing like the superman we know and love in the comic books ?

[brettc1]

Jewish imagery.

Siegel & Shuster saw Superman as a Moses allegory.

maybe so, but the Christ saviour allegory has long since overtaken that concept. as far back as Brando's lines in the first Reeves movie. "For that reason above all... I have sent them you... my only son..."

It's practically quoting the New Testament.

[Forseti]

That wasn't under dispute. This was about the claim that "un-subtle christian imagery" had been present in Superman since day 1. Which it obviously wasn't.

[Carabas]

maybe so, but the Christ saviour allegory has long since overtaken that concept. as far back as Brando's lines in the first Reeves movie. "For that reason above all... I have sent them you... my only son..."

It's practically quoting the New Testament.

Yes, but that's not even remotely "pretty much from day 1".

[brettc1]

Yes, but that's not even remotely "pretty much from day 1".

But consider too that Donner didn't get that idea from nothing. The parallels between Superman and Christ are readily evident, even if that isn't what his creators intended.

In other words, no matter what Siegel and Shuster had in mind readers also bring their own subtext to the story. So the statement is probably accurate, that from the very early days of the character many readers associated him with a Christ-like figure.

[Midvillian1322]

But consider too that Donner didn't get that idea from nothing. The parallels between Superman and Christ are readily evident, even if that isn't what his creators intended.

In other words, no matter what Siegel and Shuster had in mind readers also bring their own subtext to the story. So the statement is probably accurate, that from the very early days of the character many readers associated him with a Christ-like figure.

A guy who was sent away by his parents to be raised by strangers to save his life and then grows up to be a hero who brings hope to the hopeless. Sounds more like moses then jesus to me. Which was the orignal intention i assume

[TomServofan]

Zack Snyder has the emotional maturity of a 12-year-old, so he thought this adolescent angst would be interesting and cool.

Do you think Zack is a fan of 90's grimdark gritty comics? not a good sign is it?

And do you think him and Goyer took the wrong lessons from Nolan's Batman trilogy and do you think DC Cinematic Universe being grim and gritty is like the 90's dark age of comics era brought to life? remember that period of comics called the 90's which is an era comic fans depise?

Remember how some comics took the wrong lessons from Alan Moore, Frank Miller, Kevin Eastman Turtles and Katsuhiro Otomo's Akira?

Do you think Marvel Studios is going for the feel of silver bronze and iron age comics of the 60s 70s and 80s with their style on film while DC is stuck in the 90's dark age of comics period thinking the 90's was the best time for comics?

[Osiris-Rex]

Do you think Zack is a fan of 90's grimdark gritty comics? not a good sign is it?

And do you think him and Goyer took the wrong lessons from Nolan's Batman trilogy and do you think DC Cinematic Universe being grim and gritty is like the 90's dark age of comics era brought to life? remember that period of comics called the 90's which is an era comic fans depise?

Remember how some comics took the wrong lessons from Alan Moore, Frank Miller, Kevin Eastman Turtles and Katsuhiro Otomo's Akira?

Do you think Marvel Studios is going for the feel of silver bronze and iron age comics of the 60s 70s and 80s with their style on film while DC is stuck in the 90's dark age of comics period thinking the 90's was the best time for comics?

I think what happened is Snyder saw the success of Watchmen and 300 coupled with WB's success of the Nolan Batman trilogy plus the failure of Superman Returns and they all somehow got the idea that all comic book movies need to be grim/dark. I'm not even sure the comic book era has anything to do with it.

[Carabas]

I think what happened is Snyder saw the success of Watchmen and 300 coupled with WB's success of the Nolan Batman trilogy plus the failure of Superman Returns and they all somehow got the idea that all comic book movies need to be grim/dark. I'm not even sure the comic book era has anything to do with it.

Watchmen was not succesful. It didn't even break even.

[Powertool]

And do you think him and Goyer took the wrong lessons from Nolan's Batman trilogy and do you think DC Cinematic Universe being grim and gritty is like the 90's dark age of comics era brought to life? remember that period of comics called the 90's which is an era comic fans depise?

Very interesting! So the whole comic fan community despises the age that brought us works like (and I'll limit myself to the Big 2):

Preacher
Peter David's Aquaman
X-Statix
Sandman Mistery Theatre
Christopher Priest's Black Panther
Green Lantern Mosaic
Mark Waid's The Flash
Peter David's X-Factor
J.M. DeMatteis' Spectacular Spider-Man
Martian Manhunter
Warren Ellis' Excalibur
Astro City
Deadpool
Peter David's Supergirl
Lucifer
Superman's triangle era
Inhumans
Hitman
Chuck Dixon's Punisher
Chuck Dixon's Robin
Thunderbolts
JLA
Legion of Super-heroes vol.4
Books of Magic
Young Justice
Marvels
James Robinson's Starman
Shade the Changing Man

only because of Liefeld and his clones? Are you saying that if they're not lightearted fluff they deserve to go down the drain? No wonder it'll be nothing short of a miracle if the comic book industry still produces comic books 50 years from now. With such a widespread lack of taste...

[TomServofan]

Zack Snyder has the emotional maturity of a 12-year-old, so he thought this adolescent angst would be interesting and cool.

Very interesting! So the whole comic fan community despises the age that brought us works like (and I'll limit myself to the Big 2):

Preacher
Peter David's Aquaman
X-Statix
Sandman Mistery Theatre
Christopher Priest's Black Panther
Green Lantern Mosaic
Mark Waid's The Flash
Peter David's X-Factor
J.M. DeMatteis' Spectacular Spider-Man
Martian Manhunter
Warren Ellis' Excalibur
Astro City
Deadpool
Peter David's Supergirl
Lucifer
Superman's triangle era
Inhumans
Hitman
Chuck Dixon's Punisher
Chuck Dixon's Robin
Thunderbolts
JLA
Legion of Super-heroes vol.4
Books of Magic
Young Justice
Marvels
James Robinson's Starman
Shade the Changing Man

only because of Liefeld and his clones? Are you saying that if they're not lightearted fluff they deserve to go down the drain? No wonder it'll be nothing short of a miracle if the comic book industry still produces comic books 50 years from now. With such a widespread lack of taste...

Good examples.

What about The Maxx, Sin City, The Mask, Ghost in The Shell, Road to Perdition etc.? other gems

[AJBopp]

Very interesting! So the whole comic fan community despises the age that brought us works like (and I'll limit myself to the Big 2):

I don't know about the whole comic fan community, but that is an amazingly accurate representation of the sorts of reasons I left comics.

[Powertool]

I don't know about the whole comic fan community, but that is an amazingly accurate representation of the sorts of reasons I left comics.

Then why are you even here?

[AJBopp]

Then why are you even here?

You'll notice it's been a long, long time since I've posted in a comics forum.

[Powertool]

You'll notice it's been a long, long time since I've posted in a comics forum.

You're right. *phew* That was a dangerous bullet we all dodged.

[AJBopp]

You're right. *phew* That was a dangerous bullet we all dodged.

Yes. Dodges don't happen often when you point the gun at your own head.