why is superman in the movies so depressed , boring and nothing like the superman we know and love in the comic books ?

[simbob4000]

Very interesting! So the whole comic fan community despises the age that brought us works like (and I'll limit myself to the Big 2):

Preacher
Peter David's Aquaman
X-Statix
Sandman Mistery Theatre
Christopher Priest's Black Panther
Green Lantern Mosaic
Mark Waid's The Flash
Peter David's X-Factor
J.M. DeMatteis' Spectacular Spider-Man
Martian Manhunter
Warren Ellis' Excalibur
Astro City
Deadpool
Peter David's Supergirl
Lucifer
Superman's triangle era
Inhumans
Hitman
Chuck Dixon's Punisher
Chuck Dixon's Robin
Thunderbolts
JLA
Legion of Super-heroes vol.4
Books of Magic
Young Justice
Marvels
James Robinson's Starman
Shade the Changing Man

only because of Liefeld and his clones? Are you saying that if they're not lightearted fluff they deserve to go down the drain? No wonder it'll be nothing short of a miracle if the comic book industry still produces comic books 50 years from now. With such a widespread lack of taste...

Not the whole comic book fan community, but a good deal of the online comic book fan community sure seem to love to bitch about '90s comics as a whole.

[Krow]

Because you can tell any kind of story with Superman. You can tell a story where he is all happy happy and you can tell a story where he is a little more depressed, which in this case it makes a lot of sense given everything that happens in both of these movies. It's not bad storytelling, it's just a creative choice. If you're not willing to accept this type of approach you should simply stick to cartoons.

[simbob4000]

Because you can tell any kind of story with Superman. You can tell a story where he is all happy happy and you can tell a story where he is a little more depressed, which in this case it makes a lot of sense given everything that happens in both of these movies. It's not bad storytelling, it's just a creative choice. If you're not willing to accept these type of approach you should simply stick to cartoons.

No, these movies are very bad storytelling. May if some wants a "serious" movie, like in the way these are trying, (and they only ever try) than maybe they shouldn't be trying to get it out of Superman.

[Krow]

No, these movies are very bad storytelling. May if some wants a "serious" movie, like in the way these are trying, (and they only ever try) than maybe they shouldn't be trying to get it out of Superman.

That's your opinion. I don't agree with it. You can approach Superman in a wide number of different ways. If artists had your mentality we wouldn't have all the characters and stories we have now, because they wouldn't be willingto do any sort of experimentation.

[Krow]

Because in comics the civilian population of the planet are never a character. They are just a thing heroes have to save.

In movies the civilian population is a character and their opinions are heard.

It's a good way to put it

[simbob4000]

That's your opinion. I don't agree with it. You can approach Superman in a wide number of different ways. If artists had your mentality we wouldn't have all the characters and stories we have now, because they wouldn't be willingto do any sort of experimentation.

Maybe you can, but these two movies do a shit job of it.

If WB had my mentality you'd have a bunch of new characters because Man of Steel and Batman v Superman would be about completely different characters.

[Powertool]

Yes. Dodges don't happen often when you point the gun at your own head.

If your metaphor actually meant something, I totally didn't get it. Sorry.

Not the whole comic book fan community, but a good deal of the online comic book fan community sure seem to love to bitch about '90s comics as a whole.

My point exactly.

[brettc1]

Very interesting! So the whole comic fan community despises the age that brought us works like (and I'll limit myself to the Big 2):

Preacher
Peter David's Aquaman
X-Statix
Sandman Mistery Theatre
Christopher Priest's Black Panther
Green Lantern Mosaic
Mark Waid's The Flash
Peter David's X-Factor
J.M. DeMatteis' Spectacular Spider-Man
Martian Manhunter
Warren Ellis' Excalibur
Astro City
Deadpool
Peter David's Supergirl
Lucifer
Superman's triangle era
Inhumans
Hitman
Chuck Dixon's Punisher
Chuck Dixon's Robin
Thunderbolts
JLA
Legion of Super-heroes vol.4
Books of Magic
Young Justice
Marvels
James Robinson's Starman
Shade the Changing Man

only because of Liefeld and his clones? Are you saying that if they're not lightearted fluff they deserve to go down the drain? No wonder it'll be nothing short of a miracle if the comic book industry still produces comic books 50 years from now. With such a widespread lack of taste...

Anything written by Peter David in the 80's and 90's is pretty much gold

[brettc1]

Because you can tell any kind of story with Superman. You can tell a story where he is all happy happy and you can tell a story where he is a little more depressed, which in this case it makes a lot of sense given everything that happens in both of these movies. It's not bad storytelling, it's just a creative choice. If you're not willing to accept this type of approach you should simply stick to cartoons.

And yet if the last 5 years have shown anything its that a CARTOONS can be truly awesome in a way that often puts comics and movies to shame.

Thundercats.
Avengers EMH
Wolverine and the X-Men
Young Justice.

All these were GREAT examples of serial storytelling in medium widely looked down upon but which in truth has come leaps and bounds in the last two decades.

Young Justice especially was an excellent example of clever storytelling that did not patronize its audience but also had fun.

[Krow]

And yet if the last 5 years have shown anything its that a CARTOONS can be truly awesome in a way that often puts comics and movies to shame.

Thundercats.
Avengers EMH
Wolverine and the X-Men
Young Justice.

All these were GREAT examples of serial storytelling in medium widely looked down upon but which in truth has come leaps and bounds in the last two decades.

Young Justice especially was an excellent example of clever storytelling that did not patronize its audience but also had fun.

The fact that those cartoons have an audience doesn't mean everyone likes them. I don't, for example. I would never waste my time with something like Young Justice. I prefer content that's a little more mature. I'm no longer 13, so it's simply a natural evolution.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the way Superman is depicted in the new movies. They might not be perfect and there's definitely still room for improvement, but at the end of the day, Snyder and Cavill made Superman relevant again, something not even Bryan Singer was able to do. Plus, Man of Steel is my favourite Superman movie ever and one of the best CBM's ever as far as i'm concerned. If you wanna see something more colorful you can read over 50 years of comic books, watch cartoons or simply stick with whatever Marvel is doing. There are plenty of options for you out there.

[Krow]

BTW, this poll is absolutely stupid and pretentious. It's like the TS treats this as a fact, so the only options available are negative options.

[Forseti]

There's absolutely nothing more "mature" about MoS than most of those cartoons. It pretends to be, but it fails spectacularly.

[Midvillian1322]

There's absolutely nothing more "mature" about MoS than most of those cartoons. It pretends to be, but it fails spectacularly.

MoS is a better made movie then BvS but darker doesnt make it more mature then other superhero movies. I mean the movie has the dumbest death of a heros parent ever imo. And silly crap like a female military officer talking like paris hilton.

[Krow]

MoS is a better made movie then BvS but darker doesnt make it more mature then other superhero movies. I mean the movie has the dumbest death of a heros parent ever imo. And silly crap like a female military officer talking like paris hilton.

It's not more mature because it's darker. It's more mature because it actually takes time to show how the events of the story have a deep emotional impact on the characters. It's more mature because it feels like it actually happens in the real world, with real people, real locations.

[Flash Gordon]

In rewatching BATMAN V SUPERMAN, I think I hate the portrayal of Superman even more. I'm just over it 100%.