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    Quote Originally Posted by Tayswift View Post
    if you are talking about the movie, there isn't many similarities. man of steel is based on post crisis
    MOS movie Superman is emo and careless, Pa Kent is dead and was not a good role model, mother is also negative about superheroics, Superman is not only Krypton survivor, Krypton culture is more like a dark fantasy than cold sci-fi, Daily Planet cast basically non-existent, tone in general is gloomy... I do not see much resemblance to Post-Crisis.
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    I think MOS and BvS has his own thing going on. It has nothing to do with Pre-post crisis or new 52. Nothing other than Superman as the main character.
    The Superman in MOS wasn't particularly emo. To me he seemed to be a pretty normal guy. He smiled, talked to people, flirted with girls. A careless person wouldn't have gotten involved when that jerk was harassing the waitress. Wouldn't have saved the kids in the bus. And would have punched that bully's face in.
    In BvS they did dialed the emo aspect way up and isolated him from everyone but Lois Lane.
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    Careless: "not giving sufficient attention or thought to avoiding harm or errors."
    Great repositories for everything regarding Post-Crisis Superman
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    Basically, Aphrodite's Champion, there's a lot of bias and vested interest when people compare MOS Superman to this or that version. If someone likes MOS/BvS version they'll say he's like the version they like. If they don't like him, they'll compare him to 'not mah Superman!'.

    The latest narrative of comparing Snyderman to 52 Supes goes hand in hand with saying that Rebirth is meant to give hope back to the DC universe. Even though I've seen dozens of people remarking that the 10 years or so before the Flashpoint reboot were just as dark and hopeless, if not more so, than the New52 itself. And that was reluctantly said even by many not-fans of the New52, during the 5 years the reboot existed.

    So, to be honest, you shouldn't read 52 Supes if you want a character that's similar to Snyder's Superman. I'd take Superlad93's and Last Son of Krypton's recommendations even though I haven't read them. Though if I could take a guess, I'd bet the Clark in these stories is much more happy, hopeful, charismatic, intelligent, inspiring than Snyder allowed his Superman to be.

    I also have to add, although Morrison's origin is much more fantastic, his Superman is just as human and connected to humanity, willing to help, making mistakes and learning along the way as MOS Supes. Just in a more fantastical way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Francisco View Post
    I think MOS and BvS has his own thing going on. It has nothing to do with Pre-post crisis or new 52. Nothing other than Superman as the main character.
    The Superman in MOS wasn't particularly emo. To me he seemed to be a pretty normal guy. He smiled, talked to people, flirted with girls. A careless person wouldn't have gotten involved when that jerk was harassing the waitress. Wouldn't have saved the kids in the bus. And would have punched that bully's face in.
    In BvS they did dialed the emo aspect way up and isolated him from everyone but Lois Lane.
    That's a very good summation of the character. Take away the bias, cynical commercial narrative, vested interests, and the characters are similar but not the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeefBourguignon View Post
    Careless: "not giving sufficient attention or thought to avoiding harm or errors."
    inexperienced is a better word to describe him. Reckless is another one that better fits the character. Careless and uncaring is the same isn't it (English is not my first language) Perhaps I misinterpreted what you meant. Yeah he might be careless but not uncaring.
    "By force of will he turns his gaze upon the seething horror bellow us on the hillside.
    Yes, he feels the icy touch of fear, but he is not cowed. He is Superman!"

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    The first Morrison Action storyline. The first SM/WW storyline. The first Batman/Superman storyline. (sensing a pattern?) Although it's not strictly a Superman story, the first couple of Justice League arcs. Like the others I'd also recommend Birthright and American Alien (though the trade doesn't come out until October) and Secret Identity. It's a clever take on Superman in the "real world".
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeefBourguignon View Post
    MOS movie Superman is emo and careless, Pa Kent is dead and was not a good role model, mother is also negative about superheroics, Superman is not only Krypton survivor, Krypton culture is more like a dark fantasy than cold sci-fi, Daily Planet cast basically non-existent, tone in general is gloomy... I do not see much resemblance to Post-Crisis.
    MOS isn't emo and careless, he is contemplative and inexperient. post crises pa kent died later, about not being a good role model maybe, he is flawed. there is ascene that I really like that he ask young clark if he is hurt after being bullied, but he mean his feelings 'cause superman can't get hurt. about the mother I don't see her being agains his superheroics.
    I don't really see a big difference from post crisis and movie, the stories told set in the past of krypton look a lot like the movie krypton.



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    I liked Truth and Grant Morrison's run the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tayswift View Post
    MOS isn't emo and careless, he is contemplative and inexperient. post crises pa kent died later, about not being a good role model maybe, he is flawed. there is ascene that I really like that he ask young clark if he is hurt after being bullied, but he mean his feelings 'cause superman can't get hurt. about the mother I don't see her being agains his superheroics.
    I don't really see a big difference from post crisis and movie, the stories told set in the past of krypton look a lot like the movie krypton.


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    Ah, you edited your post. Anyway, here are some equivalent scenes from New 52 Superman.


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    http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/38...&view=top-only
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    the difference is that new 52 diluted completely any good it did, while post crisis hold it very well.

    Quote Originally Posted by dumbduck View Post
    So, to be honest, you shouldn't read 52 Supes if you want a character that's similar to Snyder's Superman..
    snyder's superman isn't arrogant and quick to anger. he doesn't abuse his powers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tayswift View Post
    the difference is that new 52 diluted completely any good it did, while post crisis hold it very well.



    snyder's superman isn't arrogant and quick to anger. he doesn't abuse his powers
    I don't think so. On the balance, even with Truth, this is a character that largely deserves a second chance.

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    A bit more propaganda. Don't read 52 Supes because he's like Snyder Supes, anyone, but because he's a great character in his own right.


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