"Injustice" - Who is the real monster?

[Jabare]

I'm glad we all agree Superman is the hero and Batman is the villain.

[Captain Smith]

If you look at it from our legal standards, Bats or Supes cannot kill unless they are preventing grievous bodily harm. That's the only rationale for civilians. I take it they do not have legal or military standing when the story starts.

The failure is if in an incident, Bats or Supes needed to use lethal force to prevent such harm and didn't. That would be a failure on their part if they were law enforcement or military.

After the fact use of lethal force to prevent future ill-defined actions is not legal for civilians or law enforcement. It is legal if the target is declared a military or officially insurrectionist
opponent of the government.

This is all worked out in legal texts on the use of force.

Joker should have been executed but probably wouldn't as he would fail an insanity test. Now if you want action outside of the law, kill the SOB. Supes becoming the dictator - yep, he was wrong to do that.

However, in Injustice he was continually saved by PIS and the issue we are talking about. The GLC, Guardians and supernatural types should have killed him. Myx saved him from an easy supernatural kill and the GLC/Guardians just blew it.

[Dispenser Of Truth]

3º) An idiot who doesn't know what it's doing is a very potential danger. What if they have decided to jump into chemical baths to adquire "the essence of the Joker" and became as insane as he was? Would you have liked an army of Jokers causing disasters like Metropolis' all over the world?

That seems a...generous assessment of their capabilities. Certainly as a justification for mass-murder.

4º) Oliver asked for it. He knew Superman was really unstable and he decided to shoot an arrow? If he hadn't done anything, Superman wouldn't have killed him and listened to his parents. Superman saved their lives during Apokolips' invasion during Year 1; but just like Huntress said, Batman was offended with Ollie and Dinah being alive. So he moved the strings for Superman to kill them both.

As a distraction so he could try and save the world, yes. As for Batman, aside from his whole deal being his aversion to killing - you're seriously arguing he deserves everything he gets for not killing, but also casually maneuvered for his friends to be murdered for a grudge against a third guy - he was going in there with them himself, and also had one of the 3 or so most powerful beings on Earth to keep Superman occupied.

No, it's not. But doing that, considering Superman's mental state, it was like throwing a gallon of gasoline to an out-of-control fire.

So you're arguing he's dangerously out-of-control to the point where he's barely culpable for killing on a moment's notice, but also a fitting world leader?

He killed him because he called him insane and for mentioning Lois. Shazam could have made Superman being reasonable, but he picked the wrong words in the worst moment.

The term you're looking for is second degree murder. Voluntary manslaughter at utter minimum, and since Marvel is, again for everyone in the back, a child, I'm pretty sure no court would consider anything he said to be worth moving what happened into that category.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!! I'm just saying that desperate times calls for desperate measures. What's the alternative then? Let things keep getting worse without control until society decays at such level than it turns into survival of the fittest?

He's the authoritarian leader of a borderline cult of personality where speaking out against him is an offense worthy of execution, behind an unaccountable corps of superpowered soldiers responsible for the global curtailing of civil rights in order to restore 'order and peace'. He sits in a fucking throne. It's a regular old fashioned dictatorship, dude. That's the point of his arc.

[Ursalink]

Let's try this in another angle.

The Joker literally broke Superman. As his friend, Batman should have stayed next to Superman and help them when he needed help the most; but he didn't. Batman couldn't blame Superman for killing the Joker, because any father and husband who have been through what the Joker did to him, it would have done the same way. Superman then realized that acting as a boy scout not only didn't help him to solve the world's problems, but instead he allowed them to go out of control; and in a mere second, he lost everything that was important to him at hands of a lunatic that took advantage of a defective justice system. This tragedy only served to show Superman the truth, the world was rotten and horrors like this one would keep repeating unless he stop them. So, determined to not allow Metropolis catastrophe happens again, he decided to be more drastic in solving the world problems once and for all.

Batman should have recognized that Batman was partially right in this new direction, but he didn't. He turned his back on him from the very moment he killed the Joker, even when he should have done it years ago. When the goverment kidnapped Superman's parents, he didn't help them to look for them; instead, he conspired with a corrupted president of the USA. Batman started his missions as Batman in the memory of his parents, but he didn't help to save his friends' parents. That proved Batman was a miserable hypocrite. And that wasn't the end:
+ He didn't have any rights to defend the life of the Joker, and still he did, making Superman say all those things about Batman actually loving the Joker.
+ When Aquaman was going to attack all the cities in the world with his armies, Superman did the only thing that would have stop him; and still, Batman said that was wrong.
+ He dared to defend the prisoners at Arkham even when all Gotham was more than happy to hear the news that those monsters would hurt them anymore. Superman wasn't even going to kill them, just take them away; and still, Batman was against something he should have done years ago. That costed him lost "his sons", Damian and Dick. He shouldn't have done that.
+ When Apokolipse attacked the Earth to cause the maximum number of deaths, Superman knew there was only one way to save as many lives as possible. So Superman used his power to destroy all the Parademons armies. Even although it was a war, even although the lives of many other peoples would have been slaughtered otherwise, even although they were demons, Batman still dared to say that was wrong. So, it would have been better to let the world burn to the ground?
+ He kidnapped HawkGirl and replaced her with the Martian Manhunter to spy the League.
+ Damian revealed to the League the existence of the League's files, with information both technical and personal about each one of them. Leaving clear that, even when they were supposed to be his friends, Batman had data to take them down any time.
+ He said to his team that Batman killed the Martian Manhunter, but he omited the fact that the Martien tried to kill Wonder Woman first, so he simply did it to defend a friend.

All this acts of treason and hypocrisy from Batman taught Superman and everything goes as far as you reach your objective. So, if Superman wanted to bring peace to the world and make sure that there won't be a Joker ever again, he couldn't let anything stand in his way. Absolutely nothing!!! And the last drop was when Batman invaded his fortress, where he was keeping his parents after the goverment kidnapped them. Batman forced the hand of an unstable Superman acting so miserably. He was supposed to be his friend, and yet, he betrayed him instead of helping him. It's exactly the same way he betrayed Harvey Dent and let him turn into Two-Faces.

After that, Batman only managed to make Superman stronger and madder with each new and stupid plan, making Superman to bury his humanity even more. The Green Lanterns, the sorcerers and the demons, the Gods of Apokolipse and the Olympus... etc. He only managed to turn Superman into what he actually didn't want to become: a being that doesn't allow anything to stand in his way. this is the same kind of obssession and mental unstability he caused on the Joker, Two-Faces and any other villain he ever faced. That's the reason because Batman is the real monster and villain in this story, and that's the reason because he doesn't deserve to win this war. He's obssessed with the idea that his way is the right way, even when clearly it's not; and than always lead to cause disaster after disaster.

[Bor]

Let's try this in another angle.

The Joker literally broke Superman. As his friend, Batman should have stayed next to Superman and help them when he needed help the most; but he didn't. Batman couldn't blame Superman for killing the Joker, because any father and husband who have been through what the Joker did to him, it would have done the same way. Superman then realized that acting as a boy scout not only didn't help him to solve the world's problems, but instead he allowed them to go out of control; and in a mere second, he lost everything that was important to him at hands of a lunatic that took advantage of a defective justice system. This tragedy only served to show Superman the truth, the world was rotten and horrors like this one would keep repeating unless he stop them. So, determined to not allow Metropolis catastrophe happens again, he decided to be more drastic in solving the world problems once and for all.

Batman should have recognized that Batman was partially right in this new direction, but he didn't. He turned his back on him from the very moment he killed the Joker, even when he should have done it years ago. When the goverment kidnapped Superman's parents, he didn't help them to look for them; instead, he conspired with a corrupted president of the USA. Batman started his missions as Batman in the memory of his parents, but he didn't help to save his friends' parents. That proved Batman was a miserable hypocrite. And that wasn't the end:
+ He didn't have any rights to defend the life of the Joker, and still he did, making Superman say all those things about Batman actually loving the Joker.
+ When Aquaman was going to attack all the cities in the world with his armies, Superman did the only thing that would have stop him; and still, Batman said that was wrong.
+ He dared to defend the prisoners at Arkham even when all Gotham was more than happy to hear the news that those monsters would hurt them anymore. Superman wasn't even going to kill them, just take them away; and still, Batman was against something he should have done years ago. That costed him lost "his sons", Damian and Dick. He shouldn't have done that.
+ When Apokolipse attacked the Earth to cause the maximum number of deaths, Superman knew there was only one way to save as many lives as possible. So Superman used his power to destroy all the Parademons armies. Even although it was a war, even although the lives of many other peoples would have been slaughtered otherwise, even although they were demons, Batman still dared to say that was wrong. So, it would have been better to let the world burn to the ground?
+ He kidnapped HawkGirl and replaced her with the Martian Manhunter to spy the League.
+ Damian revealed to the League the existence of the League's files, with information both technical and personal about each one of them. Leaving clear that, even when they were supposed to be his friends, Batman had data to take them down any time.
+ He said to his team that Batman killed the Martian Manhunter, but he omited the fact that the Martien tried to kill Wonder Woman first, so he simply did it to defend a friend.

All this acts of treason and hypocrisy from Batman taught Superman and everything goes as far as you reach your objective. So, if Superman wanted to bring peace to the world and make sure that there won't be a Joker ever again, he couldn't let anything stand in his way. Absolutely nothing!!! And the last drop was when Batman invaded his fortress, where he was keeping his parents after the goverment kidnapped them. Batman forced the hand of an unstable Superman acting so miserably. He was supposed to be his friend, and yet, he betrayed him instead of helping him. It's exactly the same way he betrayed Harvey Dent and let him turn into Two-Faces.

After that, Batman only managed to make Superman stronger and madder with each new and stupid plan, making Superman to bury his humanity even more. The Green Lanterns, the sorcerers and the demons, the Gods of Apokolipse and the Olympus... etc. He only managed to turn Superman into what he actually didn't want to become: a being that doesn't allow anything to stand in his way. this is the same kind of obssession and mental unstability he caused on the Joker, Two-Faces and any other villain he ever faced. That's the reason because Batman is the real monster and villain in this story, and that's the reason because he doesn't deserve to win this war. He's obssessed with the idea that his way is the right way, even when clearly it's not; and than always lead to cause disaster after disaster.

I dont think anyone here said Batman didnt do stupid Things. But in the end defending Superman as not being a "monster" is defending killing people because they were idiots and defending facism. I still think its that simple. And as someone who lost relatives to that kind of regime I will never accept that as anything other then the action of a "monster".
There are plenty of people who say and do stupid things, but killing them outright when you clearly have another choice is never a good thing. Superman could have stopped them, meaning the protesters, a million different ways but he chose to kill them in Cold blood. On top of that comes bending the entire World to your will because "you know best". That is facism and while I agree Batman made some incridible bad choices I dont see why that excuses Superman from his actions. I do however agree with an earlier poster that there was this very sudden shift around the 3 year mark. Until then most of Supermans actions were atleast understandable, but not so later on.
Although I still think of all characters in this series Wonderwoman gets written most out of character from what we normally see in the DC universe. I dont think she is really likeable even for a moment.
But I guess that can be written of as a different universe quite easy since a lot of the chacters are different, espescially Luthor.

[Caivu]

The Joker literally broke Superman. As his friend, Batman should have stayed next to Superman and help them when he needed help the most; but he didn't. Batman couldn't blame Superman for killing the Joker, because any father and husband who have been through what the Joker did to him, it would have done the same way.

That doesn't make it right. You don't get to murder unarmed, defenseless people who are in police custody. And break into the police station to do it.

+ He didn't have any rights to defend the life of the Joker, and still he did, making Superman say all those things about Batman actually loving the Joker.

What's this nonsense about the right to defend someone's life? Again, Joker was in police custody, Superman murdered him. Supes is wrong.

+ He dared to defend the prisoners at Arkham even when all Gotham was more than happy to hear the news that those monsters would hurt them anymore. Superman wasn't even going to kill them, just take them away; and still, Batman was against something he should have done years ago. That costed him lost "his sons", Damian and Dick. He shouldn't have done that.

Dick's death was a completely unforeseen and tragic accident. You can't pin that on Batman.

+ He kidnapped HawkGirl and replaced her with the Martian Manhunter to spy the League.

So? He didn't kill Hawkgirl and do the same. He predicted the Regime would turn dangerous and needed intel.

+ Damian revealed to the League the existence of the League's files, with information both technical and personal about each one of them. Leaving clear that, even when they were supposed to be his friends, Batman had data to take them down any time.

This is true of Batman in almost every single incarnation. It's not specific to Injustice, so why bring it up?

+ He said to his team that Batman killed the Martian Manhunter, but he omited the fact that the Martien tried to kill Wonder Woman first, so he simply did it to defend a friend.

Did Batman know MM tried to do that?

And the last drop was when Batman invaded his fortress, where he was keeping his parents after the goverment kidnapped them. Batman forced the hand of an unstable Superman acting so miserably.

Batman had no idea the Kents were there. When he sees them, he basically goes "Oh crap, sorry, leaving now" because he knows that Clark will interpret it as a hostile action toward his parents when that wasn't at all the intent.

After that, Batman only managed to make Superman stronger and madder with each new and stupid plan, making Superman to bury his humanity even more. The Green Lanterns, the sorcerers and the demons, the Gods of Apokolipse and the Olympus... etc. He only managed to turn Superman into what he actually didn't want to become: a being that doesn't allow anything to stand in his way. this is the same kind of obssession and mental unstability he caused on the Joker, Two-Faces and any other villain he ever faced. That's the reason because Batman is the real monster and villain in this story, and that's the reason because he doesn't deserve to win this war. He's obssessed with the idea that his way is the right way, even when clearly it's not; and than always lead to cause disaster after disaster.

Superman is responsible for his own actions. He didn't have to murder the Joker and start down this path. And this is all ignoring the fact that Superman, by his own hand, has murdered hundreds of people (billions, if Mogo was populated). Not in self-defense. Not accidentally. Not justifiable homicide or "acceptable losses". Murder.

Superman is the villain of Injustice, and the fact you're defending him is baffling.

[liwanag]

what are the chances that batman will be the antagonist in injustice 2?

[Agent Z]

I'm glad we all agree Superman is the hero and Batman is the villain.

We do?

what are the chances that batman will be the antagonist in injustice 2?

Not very likely, I think.

[Lokimaru]

Let's try this in another angle.

The Joker literally broke Superman. As his friend, Batman should have stayed next to Superman and help them when he needed help the most; but he didn't. Batman couldn't blame Superman for killing the Joker, because any father and husband who have been through what the Joker did to him, it would have done the same way. Superman then realized that acting as a boy scout not only didn't help him to solve the world's problems, but instead he allowed them to go out of control; and in a mere second, he lost everything that was important to him at hands of a lunatic that took advantage of a defective justice system. This tragedy only served to show Superman the truth, the world was rotten and horrors like this one would keep repeating unless he stop them. So, determined to not allow Metropolis catastrophe happens again, he decided to be more drastic in solving the world problems once and for all.

Batman should have recognized that Batman was partially right in this new direction, but he didn't. He turned his back on him from the very moment he killed the Joker, even when he should have done it years ago. When the goverment kidnapped Superman's parents, he didn't help them to look for them; instead, he conspired with a corrupted president of the USA. Batman started his missions as Batman in the memory of his parents, but he didn't help to save his friends' parents. That proved Batman was a miserable hypocrite. And that wasn't the end:
+ He didn't have any rights to defend the life of the Joker, and still he did, making Superman say all those things about Batman actually loving the Joker.
+ When Aquaman was going to attack all the cities in the world with his armies, Superman did the only thing that would have stop him; and still, Batman said that was wrong.
+ He dared to defend the prisoners at Arkham even when all Gotham was more than happy to hear the news that those monsters would hurt them anymore. Superman wasn't even going to kill them, just take them away; and still, Batman was against something he should have done years ago. That costed him lost "his sons", Damian and Dick. He shouldn't have done that.
+ When Apokolipse attacked the Earth to cause the maximum number of deaths, Superman knew there was only one way to save as many lives as possible. So Superman used his power to destroy all the Parademons armies. Even although it was a war, even although the lives of many other peoples would have been slaughtered otherwise, even although they were demons, Batman still dared to say that was wrong. So, it would have been better to let the world burn to the ground?
+ He kidnapped HawkGirl and replaced her with the Martian Manhunter to spy the League.
+ Damian revealed to the League the existence of the League's files, with information both technical and personal about each one of them. Leaving clear that, even when they were supposed to be his friends, Batman had data to take them down any time.
+ He said to his team that Batman killed the Martian Manhunter, but he omited the fact that the Martien tried to kill Wonder Woman first, so he simply did it to defend a friend.

All this acts of treason and hypocrisy from Batman taught Superman and everything goes as far as you reach your objective. So, if Superman wanted to bring peace to the world and make sure that there won't be a Joker ever again, he couldn't let anything stand in his way. Absolutely nothing!!! And the last drop was when Batman invaded his fortress, where he was keeping his parents after the goverment kidnapped them. Batman forced the hand of an unstable Superman acting so miserably. He was supposed to be his friend, and yet, he betrayed him instead of helping him. It's exactly the same way he betrayed Harvey Dent and let him turn into Two-Faces.

After that, Batman only managed to make Superman stronger and madder with each new and stupid plan, making Superman to bury his humanity even more. The Green Lanterns, the sorcerers and the demons, the Gods of Apokolipse and the Olympus... etc. He only managed to turn Superman into what he actually didn't want to become: a being that doesn't allow anything to stand in his way. this is the same kind of obssession and mental unstability he caused on the Joker, Two-Faces and any other villain he ever faced. That's the reason because Batman is the real monster and villain in this story, and that's the reason because he doesn't deserve to win this war. He's obssessed with the idea that his way is the right way, even when clearly it's not; and than always lead to cause disaster after disaster.

Preach Brother! This is the problem I have with Batman in the story He win and becomes a world Hero while the Guy who Actually took down Regime Superman, alternate dimension Superman gets a Kryptonite Bomb in his chest, some gratitude. Batman literally turned Superman into the Monster he became, It's like when Joker died he needed another great Adversary so he turned Superman into that Adversary. This is why I wonder What else was created when Bruce's Parents died, does he have an Onslaught hidden deep inside him sublimely controlling his action to get the worst results? What if it's Bruce?

[CentralPower]

+ Superman is not working with Black Adam, Black Adam is working FOR Superman. Superman gave Black Adam an ultimatum: "You work for me, or I'll make an example with you and I will destroy your city to keep the planet safe".

That is extortion. Superman has become the sort of tyrant he was usurping. Is there some proof that Black Adam's city, or the population, was a threat? There might be a case for killing Black Adam. And, the city might be wiped out as a side effect of the resulting battle. But, "play ball or I flatten your city" is out of order.

They were NOT peaceful. They were preparing to arm themselves and cause riots in the name and image of the Joker. Those imbeciles would have surely end up become something like the Jokerz from Batman Beyond, or even worse. There's no buts, they deserved to burn. Superman could have just arrested them if they were gathered in the name of Batman or simply to fight against the Regime. But doing it in the name of the Joker?, there's no excuse for that.

I gave up on the series before this happened. (I flipped through the issue, but did not read all the way through.)

A key element of the series (albeit one that is muddied with the creative team change) is that Superman is acting with less restraint over time. (This is the dynamic that Byrne set up 30 years ago. Killing Zod et al was necessary. But, Superman needed to immediately step back and consider things because he did not want to get too comfortable with killing.)

Buccalletto's Superman also put out a hit on Alfred. Alfred was not killed as a combatant, or even an acceptable bystander. Superman specifically targeted the guy to make a point to Batman.

I am not sure that the nature of the protesters or their iconography would have made a difference to Superman. (And, motives matter in this case.)

A woman he knew was pregnant.

I have not read Year 2 recently. But, is there any evidence that Superman knew that Black Canary was pregnant? (Yes, he could have checked with his x-ray vision. But, did he check?)

In the game. He murders Billy Batson for daring to question him.

We do not know if that will be used in the comic. So, best to take it off the table.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!! I'm just saying that desperate times calls for desperate measures. What's the alternative then? Let things keep getting worse without control until society decays at such level than it turns into survival of the fittest?

It is a question of balance. I am not a pacifist. Never have been. But, state violence needs to be employed carefully. Every "shortcut" the police take (even against a suspect that is all but certainly guilty) opens the door for another. Even if the initial "shortcut" is well intentioned (and nothing that we would be terribly upset about), it normalizes the next one, which may be less easily justified.

Police are forbidden from using incorrectly gathered evidence, even when the evidence is accurate, as a mechanism to discourage shortcuts.

The Joker literally broke Superman. As his friend, Batman should have stayed next to Superman and help them when he needed help the most; but he didn't. Batman couldn't blame Superman for killing the Joker, because any father and husband who have been through what the Joker did to him, it would have done the same way. Superman then realized that acting as a boy scout not only didn't help him to solve the world's problems, but instead he allowed them to go out of control; and in a mere second, he lost everything that was important to him at hands of a lunatic that took advantage of a defective justice system.

Batman's concern was that a Superman who did not hold back would move the bar. Superman got nasty, and everybody else got a little meaner, and the conflict escalated.

Superman may not have started as a monster. And, Taylor last two issues on "Injustice" show that Superman wishes that things had gone differently. But, the point of "Injustice" is that Superman falls. Killing the Joker would be for the best. (He had proven near impossible to keep in prison, and had a track record of mass depravity.) Killing Kalibak and his troops is not a moral question at all. (They are bug-eyed space monsters from hell. The universe is better off without them.) But, each kill, each exception, moved the bar.

Superman set up a regime that took people's freedom. (History, specifically studies of East and West German, demonstrates how these systems create lower quality people who cannot be trusted and cannot function as well as those who were not born under tyranny.)

Superman killed an old man (Alfred) to make a point to an adversary.

So? He didn't kill Hawkgirl and do the same. He predicted the Regime would turn dangerous and needed intel.

And, Hawkgirl was a fair target. She was a combatant.

+ He dared to defend the prisoners at Arkham even when all Gotham was more than happy to hear the news that those monsters would hurt them anymore. Superman wasn't even going to kill them, just take them away; and still, Batman was against something he should have done years ago.

And, both sides ended up recruiting from Arkham. How many of the Arkham inmates were dangerous? Should Superman be able to make that call with impunity? (Again, I am not a pacifist. Nor do I see virtue in caring for monsters. But, power should be used with restraint.)

[Caivu]

I have not read Year 2 recently. But, is there any evidence that Superman knew that Black Canary was pregnant? (Yes, he could have checked with his x-ray vision. But, did he check?)

She flat-out tells him after Ollie's funeral (I believe the exact phrase she used was "I'm fighting for two now"). Plus, IIRC Superman senses it as well.

We do not know if that will be used in the comic. So, best to take it off the table.

It's not going to be, since the comic has ended, but what does that matter? The comic is the same continuity as the game.

[CentralPower]

It ended? Well then. (I have only half paid attention to it since Taylor left.)

Either way, game-comics only correspond so closely to their source material. How many variations of "Street Fighter" and "Mortal Kombat" have their been? On average, how consistent have they been with the games?

[Agent Z]

Preach Brother! This is the problem I have with Batman in the story He win and becomes a world Hero while the Guy who Actually took down Regime Superman, alternate dimension Superman gets a Kryptonite Bomb in his chest, some gratitude. Batman literally turned Superman into the Monster he became, It's like when Joker died he needed another great Adversary so he turned Superman into that Adversary. This is why I wonder What else was created when Bruce's Parents died, does he have an Onslaught hidden deep inside him sublimely controlling his action to get the worst results? What if it's Bruce?

Bruce did not turn Clark into an adversary. Clark becoming a villain was 100%, unambiguously his decision. I have my issues with how the story writes Clark and Diana, but in-universe they chose the paths they were on.

Furthermore, the heroic Superman volunteered to have the Kryptonite put in him.

[phantom1592]

Nonsens. Batman's just some vigilante. The cops and the court system had the responsability of stopping the Joker.

Batman had no more responsability for stopping teh Joker than Nightwing, Batgirl, Green Arrow, Superman, or anybody else did. Any superhero (or sufficiently grumpy Arkham guard) could have killed him at any time.

Superman is resonsable for his own actions.

Agreed. If Batman is to blame for Joker's actions... then so is Commisioner Gordon. So it the orderly who didn't poison his food or the nurse who didn't inject him with an air bubble. Any random deputy could have shot him a dozen times while sitting in a holding cell and STILL convinced a jury that it was self defense.

Batman has no more right or responsibility to be judge jury executioner, than anyone else in Gotham does.

If they're still using that one origin, the Joker became what he is due to Batman knocking him into those chemicals. Everything he does is in reaction to Batman. If Batman were to stop, the Joker would lose his purpose and go away.

That's garbage. It always has been. Injustice just shows that. If Batman ever retired, or died, or disappeared... Joker would move on to torment someone else. Nightwing, Batgirl, Gordon... or in this case Superman. He's just as liable to screw with anyone else he thinks is on a high horse as he is with Batman.

The complaint I was answering was that Superman killing so many Green Lanterns would cause a power vacuum. I was simply pointing out that the casualties would be replaced (as shown on page), meaning that there would be no power vacuum.

(For the purposes of "Injustice", Superman needs to be stopped. But, killing Green Lanterns is going to be less consequential than other actions he has taken.)

Ummmm.. Who trains them? If the senior lanterns and Kilowog are all dead now... Giving the rings to new lanterns doesn't help the universe too much. It's like wiping out a team of highly trained special forces... but it's ok because we have some privates getting recruited this week.... It'll be FINE.....

The term you're looking for is second degree murder. Voluntary manslaughter at utter minimum, and since Marvel is, again for everyone in the back, a child, I'm pretty sure no court would consider anything he said to be worth moving what happened into that category.

Meh, That gets tossed around WAY too much. Batson is not a child. He's a SUPER-HERO. He is the world's mightiest Mortal with the power of Zeus and the Wisdom of Solomon... let's not keep treating him with 'kid' gloves.

Billy has long taken responsibility for his actions and earned the right to stand shoulder to shoulder against the biggest threats the world has ever seen. Considering him 'a child' is really insulting to the character. My same attitude with Pym smacking Wasp. It's not just 'hitting a woman'... it's 'hitting a Super-hero'. She can take that hit and give it back. A whole lot different then when Spidey slapped a pregnant Mary Jane!! Give the heroes their due credit.

Especially since he should have grown by now... he's older then Damian. If Damian is old enough to be disguised as Nightwing... Billy should at least be in college himself.

None of this means Superman was right to kill him for annoying him, but it's just the same kind of killing as all the other heroes on his murder pile.

[Caivu]

It ended? Well then. (I have only half paid attention to it since Taylor left.)

Either way, game-comics only correspond so closely to their source material. How many variations of "Street Fighter" and "Mortal Kombat" have their been? On average, how consistent have they been with the games?

Yep, the last issue was this past Tuesday. There's technically still the last Annual left, but eh.

I don't know about those others, but the Injustice comic was very consistent with the game. Only some very minor hiccups (like Kilowog and Parasite appearing in the background of stages when they were both killed in the comic).