If Scott Summers aka Cyclops is declared as Most Rightest Marvel character...

[Knives]

With Death of X coming and the apparent schism between Cyclops and Storm fans imagined it would happen sooner or later. Well could show facts but frankly it has been done many times and not with patience for it or other discussion of AvX.

So on the question Cyclops is not right about everything but he's right about a lot of things.

And most of them and which most of his critics forget is that for the mutants survive after No More Mutants sacrifices were necessary and Xavier's idealism (which not even him followed strictly sacrificing and deceiving their own students more than one occasion) would never allow the surviving of mutants in this period where they were surrounded on all sides by enemies ready to put the final nail in the coffin of mutant species.

Cyclops when he became leader of the last mutants he took the burden and is no longer a hero to become what the mutants most needed a shield that would make the necessary for them something that Scott made his whole life at the cost of everything from family, friends, wife and son all in the name of the mutants and Xavier's dream.

What I admire about Scott is that he saw the worst and the best in Xavier's dream and came to the conclusion that someone always need to take the weight of difficult decisions as a good leader knows that it is not difficult to sacrifice for his soldiers but ask your soldiers sacrifice themselves for the cause and for him. He carry all the weight of the decisions and the darkness it brings because he knew that otherwise would be the end.


Meanwhile we have one avenger that caused a genocide who never answered for it, a hero who uses a flag that attacked the last refuge mutant with the help of the greatest heroes of the planet, an iron armor hero and his friends formed a secret group to explode planets and decide the fate of the world, a hero who killed another friend in cold blood and was acquitted while Scott was hunted and called a terrorist, a heroine holding people who have never committed a crime based on visions of the future and somehow will become the greatest hero of the Marvel universe after Civil War II, Shield an organization that has Sentinels to use against mutants and never did anything to help mutants even when they knew of the crimes committed against mutants were more concerned with hunting Magneto who was investigating these crimes against mutants and most recently a king who released a mist that kills mutants and his queen who prefer to see the mutants die to destroy the mist.

Even with all this in some way Cyclops that has always fought for equality and help mutants is compared to Hitler. Well it is for him to be the villain then go ahead but for some he is something quite different that not even Storm, Magneto, Xavier or any other leader has been someone willing to change this @#$% status quo and say enough.

Death Cop X.jpg

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http://i.imgur.com/UQh0Pxi.png

[Jerk Chicken]

Lol great thread.

The mutants, specifically Magneto, will be the villains in IvX, but Cyclops will inevitably be right.

And I can't believe some people really think he'd be killed off or that the editors want him to look bad. Have they read an X-book in the last 15 years?

[Bootsie]

Best thread ever!

[The tall man]

With Death of X coming and the apparent schism between Cyclops and Storm fans imagined it would happen sooner or later. Well could show facts but frankly it has been done many times and not with patience for it or other discussion of AvX.

So on the question Cyclops is not right about everything but he's right about a lot of things.

And most of them and which most of his critics forget is that for the mutants survive after No More Mutants sacrifices were necessary and Xavier's idealism (which not even him followed strictly sacrificing and deceiving their own students more than one occasion) would never allow the surviving of mutants in this period where they were surrounded on all sides by enemies ready to put the final nail in the coffin of mutant species.

Cyclops when he became leader of the last mutants he took the burden and is no longer a hero to become what the mutants most needed a shield that would make the necessary for them something that Scott made his whole life at the cost of everything from family, friends, wife and son all in the name of the mutants and Xavier's dream.

What I admire about Scott is that he saw the worst and the best in Xavier's dream and came to the conclusion that someone always need to take the weight of difficult decisions as a good leader knows that it is not difficult to sacrifice for his soldiers but ask your soldiers sacrifice themselves for the cause and for him. He carry all the weight of the decisions and the darkness it brings because he knew that otherwise would be the end.


Meanwhile we have one avenger that caused a genocide who never answered for it, a hero who uses a flag that attacked the last refuge mutant with the help of the greatest heroes of the planet, an iron armor hero and his friends formed a secret group to explode planets and decide the fate of the world, a hero who killed another friend in cold blood and was acquitted while Scott was hunted and called a terrorist, a heroine holding people who have never committed a crime based on visions of the future and somehow will become the greatest hero of the Marvel universe after Civil War II, Shield an organization that has Sentinels to use against mutants and never did anything to help mutants even when they knew of the crimes committed against mutants were more concerned with hunting Magneto who was investigating these crimes against mutants and most recently a king who released a mist that kills mutants and his queen who prefer to see the mutants die to destroy the mist.

Even with all this in some way Cyclops that has always fought for equality and help mutants is compared to Hitler. Well it is for him to be the villain then go ahead but for some he is something quite different that not even Storm, Magneto, Xavier or any other leader has been someone willing to change this @#$% status quo and say enough.

Death Cop X.jpg

CSX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UQh0Pxi.png

Simple fact is that the concept of the xmen as a team of equals was abandoned to push this general/dictator angle with Cyclops as leader of all mutantkind, which is in of itself rediculous. The idea that a whole group of independent minded, powerful people will just blindly follow Cyclops is dumb. Also the constant need to make Cyclops "right" about every damm thing is annoying and just shows how Cyclops is without a doubt the most forced/pushed character in all of comics. Poor Cyclops have to make the hard decisions, poor Cyclops is the only one who can lead, poor Cyclops puts the burden all on himself, poor Cyclops was betrayed by is traitorous friends. It's a damm joke. This gary sue of a character has completely nutered the franchise. Once marvel decided that the entire x-universe revolved around him it's been all downhill.

[LocoSteve]

lol cyclops fanboys i swear :P

[Xelossik]

Knives :

mutants survive after No More Mutants sacrifices were necessary and Xavier's idealism (which not even him followed strictly sacrificing and deceiving their own students more than one occasion) would never allow the surviving of mutants in this period

There is no evidence that this is true.

Cyclops when he became leader of the last mutants he took the burden and is no longer a hero to become what the mutants most needed a shield

Cyclops believes that this is true but X men didn't and they left him.

What I admire about Scott is that he ... came to the conclusion that someone always need to take the weight of difficult decisions as a good leader knows that it is not difficult to sacrifice for his soldiers but ask your soldiers sacrifice themselves for the cause and for him.

he sacrificed his soldiers.

Even with all this in some way Cyclops that has always fought for equality

In 90s... In this century he didn't fight for equality.

Well it is for him to be the villain then go ahead but for some he is something quite different that not even Storm, Magneto, Xavier or any other leader has been someone willing to change this @#$% status quo and say enough.

He is willing to change status but he only made everything worse. Mutants were hated more than ever thanks to him. At the beginning of this century situation was better.

about his speech:
His actions will only create more problems.

His ideals are good but his results...

X men ignored his orders many times and that is always better than listening to his orders.

[CraigTheCylon]

What I love about this thread is it's very obvious who read the disclaimer (or the OP in general enough to catch the tone) and who just immediately jumped to conclusions.

CraigTheCylon :
Maybe Rex Rectus?
rex = king
rectus = right
i like latin

This one sounds like it could be about either butts OR boners.

I like the way you think.

[Xelossik]

CraigTheCylon :
Thank You very much. I was inspired by Your greatness.

[CoCoBandz]

The deja vu. . .

[Nicoclaws]

I want to applaud the OC here. Probably the best post on this forum in a loooong while.

[Knives]

Simple fact is that the concept of the xmen as a team of equals was abandoned to push this general/dictator angle with Cyclops as leader of all mutantkind, which is in of itself rediculous. The idea that a whole group of independent minded, powerful people will just blindly follow Cyclops is dumb. Also the constant need to make Cyclops "right" about every damm thing is annoying and just shows how Cyclops is without a doubt the most forced/pushed character in all of comics. Poor Cyclops have to make the hard decisions, poor Cyclops is the only one who can lead, poor Cyclops puts the burden all on himself, poor Cyclops was betrayed by is traitorous friends. It's a damm joke. This gary sue of a character has completely nutered the franchise. Once marvel decided that the entire x-universe revolved around him it's been all downhill.

Then you should be happy Cyclops is off the board and should stay that way for some time let's see if someone can do better is the best time for it. I be more than happy to see Storm or Bobby being portrayed as the X-mens admire and love leading the mutant species for their salvation and the future instead of again being portrayed as a bunch of survivors crying and blaming Scott for everything wondering every moment where it all went wrong? The problem is that even when he is absent for some reason everything keeps spinning around him preventing other characters have their moment at least in this agree with you.

Knives :

There is no evidence that this is true.


Cyclops believes that this is true but X men didn't and they left him.


he sacrificed his soldiers.


In 90s... In this century he didn't fight for equality.


He is willing to change status but he only made everything worse. Mutants were hated more than ever thanks to him. At the beginning of this century situation was better.

about his speech:
His actions will only create more problems.

His ideals are good but his results...

X men ignored his orders many times and that is always better than listening to his orders.

Interesting how you refutes every time defended Scott but at no time denied all the crimes have cited from other characters.

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

For the love of... This thread wasn't meant for actual debate, lol.

We should be posting scans of characters acting like crybabies over his Rightfulness being right or something.

[Xelossik]

Knives :

Interesting how you refutes every time defended Scott but at no time denied all the crimes have cited from other characters.

That's not true.For example: I think that Wolverine or Magneto were weak as a leaders. In my opinion Cyclops was better than them but...
Being better as a leader than Wolverine? That's not achievement in my opinion.

I didn't denied crimes from other characters. I accept them.

[jpmst17]

it's funny how people try to bash Scott, but deep down they know he has by far the best track record as leader than any other mutant. he has done more for mutants than almost anyone else. keep the hate up though. it's laughable

[Anduinel]

Cyclops may be right, but is he more powerful than Storm?