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[Xelossik]

Kurolegacy :

Which in itself is up to Duggan to explain. There's the possibility that could be as a result of the Hand resurrecting him as in the past we've seen Mystique's powers grow stronger after being revived by the Hand.

or maybe he wasn't completely cured(heroes sometimes made a mistakes). We don't know anything except that he is in Hulk form and he had green eyes before he died.
There is a possibility that in AU (without Ulysses, with cured Banner) Cap would use gamma radiation to create new Hulk to create Civil War.

[Moon Ronin]

Out of curiosity what specifically has Hydra brainwashed Steve Rogers done that has crossed the character into the "point of no return" for you?

For one he is manipulating his friends to kill, setting up his friends for a fall and disgrace and holding values that are far outside what he stood for. He as attempted and murdered people pretty much in cold blood. To be the beginning factor that caused banners death will be something that will destroy the core of who the real Steve Rogers and he is not brainwashed his entire history has be rewritten by Kobik. Even if undone Rogers could not keep being a hero knowing all of the things that he has done and who he was. The story line is the is the mental death of Steve Rogers.

[jbmasta]

Kurolegacy :

or maybe he wasn't completely cured(heroes sometimes made a mistakes). We don't know anything except that he is in Hulk form and he had green eyes before he died.
There is a possibility that in AU (without Ulysses, with cured Banner) Cap would use gamma radiation to create new Hulk to create Civil War.

The Totally Awesome Hulk tie-in issues show that Bruce is definitively cured. He put himself in dangerous situation precisely to try bring out his monster, but it didn't work. He stayed human.

However Ulysses couldn't have known this. He didn't have any chance to get any information on the current condition of the Hulk. Including him in a vision hulking out would be something everyone would want to stop, playing perfectly into the self-fulfilling prophecy even if no one questioned how the vision differed from what actually happened (this may have been ignored as insignificant even).

[Xelossik]

jbmasta :

The Totally Awesome Hulk tie-in issues show that Bruce is definitively cured.

No. That's only possibility. Maybe he can control his emotions or something like that. He is in Hulk form.

[Namor'sWrath]

Carol is the Law and Order Candidate.

Seriously, she has the biggest arrest-boner. It's her answer to everything. I bet she tries to arrest the T-mist to solve M-pox.

[Kurolegacy]

For one he is manipulating his friends to kill, setting up his friends for a fall and disgrace and holding values that are far outside what he stood for. He as attempted and murdered people pretty much in cold blood. To be the beginning factor that caused banners death will be something that will destroy the core of who the real Steve Rogers and he is not brainwashed his entire history has be rewritten by Kobik. Even if undone Rogers could not keep being a hero knowing all of the things that he has done and who he was. The story line is the is the mental death of Steve Rogers.

No he has effectively been brainwashed. His history is exactly the same as it always was from the outside world but from his own perspective, his history is completely different. This was shown back in issue 2 where Red Skull was surprised that Dr. Selvig was loyal to Hydra when he was never Hydra and it was explained as such.

[spirit2011]

No he has effectively been brainwashed. His history is exactly the same as it always was from the outside world but from his own perspective, his history is completely different. This was shown back in issue 2 where Red Skull was surprised that Dr. Selvig was loyal to Hydra when he was never Hydra and it was explained as such.

it's not brainwash, it is a reality change. Hydra recruited him when he was still a kid

[jbmasta]

jbmasta :

No. That's only possibility. Maybe he can control his emotions or something like that. He is in Hulk form.

Bruce infected himself with the flu, and was happy it worked because the Hulk's regenerative always prevented it. He was attacked and didn't Hulk out. His scanning equipment showed him as Gamma free, and it picked up the Gamma radiation on Cho so it wasn't faulty. Tony checked Cho's data and came to the same conclusion. Since finding out he was cured he'd done nothing but put himself in danger, with no Hulking out at all. If that's not definitively cured, I don't know what is short of a reality warper getting involved.

[Xelossik]

jbmasta :
and? He is in Hulk form. Tony couldn't create cure for Terrigen.

[jbmasta]

jbmasta :
and? He is in Hulk form. Tony couldn't create cure for Terrigen.

Bruce hasn't been the Hulk since Cho became the Totally Awesome Hulk.

IMPORTANT
As I mentioned before, the visions Ulysses presents aren't of the future, but a potential future based on what he knows is currently happening. He can only incorporate what he's aware of, both on a conscious and unconscious, level, and he didn't know about Bruce being cured. The vision was acting under the assumption that Bruce was still irradiated by Gamma, which both Cho and Tony knew not to be true. You would be able to predict what is likely to happen in your home or place of work except for if a left-field variable you weren't aware of previously, say the fridge breaking down or an unexpected new co-worker. The situation is this concept, only with a supercomputer brain and far worse consequences.

Tony knew Bruce wasn't able to Hulk out anymore because he had seen Bruce try to bring out the Hulk by putting himself in dangerous situations over and over again. Tony doesn't know how, but the signs are that Bruce Is Cured.

We don't see Tony's reaction to the Hulk vision, and it's possible he could have shared the information he knew about Bruce being cured before Carol went off to prevent the Hulk massacre. It is not implausible that Carol didn't listen to Tony, especially how she later ignores him spelling out, with irrefutable evidence, how Ulysses operates. Everyone present is worried about the potential threat, and not receptive to Tony's evidence on Bruce.

[Xelossik]

jbmasta:

signs are that Bruce Is Cured.

ok with me. Signs are that he is cured. Reality? He can Hulk out.

[Coal Tiger]

jbmasta:

ok with me. Signs are that he is cured. Reality? He can Hulk out.

What are you basing that on? I haven't been reading any Hulk books, did his corpse become the Hulk or something?

[Xelossik]

Coal Tiger:

What are you basing that on? I haven't been reading any Hulk books, did his corpse become the Hulk or something?

Yes. In Uncanny Avengers 15

[jbmasta]

jbmasta:

ok with me. Signs are that he is cured. Reality? He can Hulk out.

You've not read any recent Totally Awesome Hulk, have you? I have outlined the measures that Bruce, in that book, took to determine that he was really cured. He even snapped at Tony, and didn't go green.

[LOSTie-chan]

Has every issue of this been:

Carol: *does something douchey*

*insert character here*: Carol, why are you arresting me!? I didn't do anything!

Tony: *makes snarky comment*