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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan2099 View Post
    That was kind of what Zemo did though. he set things up so that the Avengers turned on each other. If we're allowing Ivy to use her mid control, then Zemo should get his manipulation skills.

    Not that it's going to be hard to make these guy on each other, but for fairness sake, maybe we should say they aren't going to turn on each other without Zemo prompting.
    The problem is that Ivy's manipulation is an instant effect power, while Zemo's manipulation was the culmination of months of intense planning years/decades of insider knowledge of top secret Soviet/Hydra info and relied on manipulating a celebrity with insanely poor impulse control, and even then the plan has so many moving parts that had to go in exactly the right directions at exactly the right times, that it basically required Batman vs. Superman Lex Luther level precognition in order for it not to have failed long before.

    The other problem is that Ivy's manipulation requires her not to take a bullet to the head before she activates it, but that's not really Zemo's concern here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by master of read View Post
    only for joker to realize too late that all of his knives were replaced with dynamite.

    zemo: come now, joker. did you really think you were the only one who could play this game?
    Nah, Joker's magical ability is to put comically large amounts of explosives in places that it is impossible not to notice people sneaking comically large amounts of explosives into, using kidnapped psych patients as a large part of his work force.

    Zemo's magical ability is to be able to tell the future well enough to make the tactical equivalent of a Rube Goldberg device that requires very specific instances of PIS and SMvFL to work. It could help him in a drawn out match, but his co-villains will probably just shoot everyone long before that becomes a factor.

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