Wonder Woman Vol 5 #9 Discussion

[Agent Z]

All the fellow wonder woman fans hyped me up for this saying the Amazons are back then i say ok let me give rebirth another shot. I am so disappointed (the art was great though). She is back with steve oh i missed you, me and superman can fly so it made sense, it was uncomplicated (the other issues didn't make it seem that way). I know Rucka hates the SM/WW pairing but this was awful Jeez. Kinda sucks blonde Hippolyta may be fake. I like when i can tell her and diana apart i like the blonde one. Sigh. I guess it makes no sense i continue with rebirth WW.

It's really not that hard to tell them apart when they're both brunette. I mean, Clark and Bruce have the same hair color, eye color and physical build and yet no one has an issue telling them apart.

[SiegePerilous02]

#11 will be a pretty good indicator of how mean spirited Rebirth as a whole will be.

As for Steve, I don't really care. Wonder Woman doesn't need a love interest. The thing I liked about her and Batman in the animated series was that it was 90% subtext. I have some issues with Steve being A) kinda boring and B) literally the first man she ever met, but it's whatever.

To be fair, a lot of Azzarello's changes to classic elements came off as mean spirited. Mocking the clay birth and throwing dirt on the Amazons to "fix" them. I dont see how this is worse, since this is a response to those elements.

[RealWonderman]

Great issue from start to finish! The lead up and kiss between Diana and Steve seemed very natural and well executed. They really are meant to be together. Is it just me or is Rucka priming Veronica Cale to become the new Cheetah?

I think Veronica attempting to become Cheetah will be what makes Barbara make the semi-ultimate sacrifice of becoming Cheetah again.

[brettc1]

I get how the SM/WW shippers would hate the line about how Diana questions the relationship with Supes as well.

Needless to say I liked it.

The tribute to all the previous creative teams on the mall signs was a great touch as well

[Largo161]

To be fair, a lot of Azzarello's changes to classic elements came off as mean spirited. Mocking the clay birth and throwing dirt on the Amazons to "fix" them. I dont see how this is worse, since this is a response to those elements.

You can point this out until the cows come home. They'll never hear you, though.

[The World]

This chapter and the last might be where the present time stories start to pull ahead of the origin tales. Sharp's art sometimes makes the characters look a little odd but he's the stronger artist between him and Scott's replacement. The pacing has quickened as well with more bits of intrigue building surrounding where things are headed for Diana. I'd give this a 8.5/10 hoping that builds upwards as this new arc goes on.

[Dr. Poison]

I think Veronica attempting to become Cheetah will be what makes Barbara make the semi-ultimate sacrifice of becoming Cheetah again.

Oooh! Great theory!

[Dr. Poison]

To be fair, a lot of Azzarello's changes to classic elements came off as mean spirited. Mocking the clay birth and throwing dirt on the Amazons to "fix" them. I dont see how this is worse, since this is a response to those elements.

I'm personally loving Rucka's response. What goes around comes back around. It's called karma.

[Gaelforce]

I get how the SM/WW shippers would hate the line about how Diana questions the relationship with Supes as well.

Needless to say I liked it.

The tribute to all the previous creative teams on the mall signs was a great touch as well

I can't say that I'm a 'shipper,' but I did enjoy the idea of the two of them together.

That being said, I'm also fine with her moving on. My only problem is the way it's being written as if it weren't that important or 'true.' I would much rather see Diana mourn Clark's passing and move on in a more natural fashion? This way we can have our cake and eat it to - Clark/Diana fans had a couple of years of a real and meaningful relationship that ended when Clark died, and now she can find new (or rekindle old?) love with Steve.

I'm just not comfortable with the downplay of the Clark/Diana relationship as not being 'real' or important. It should have, in my opinion, been a key chapter in her life, but then she moves on. The lack of any real mourning (I think there was one panel in JL where she was looking upset and Aquaman had a hand on her shoulder) sort of downplays the whole relationship which doesn't feel right, both from a story perspective as well as to being fair to Diana/Clark shippers.

[Korath]

To be fair, a lot of Azzarello's changes to classic elements came off as mean spirited. Mocking the clay birth and throwing dirt on the Amazons to "fix" them. I dont see how this is worse, since this is a response to those elements.

That's what a reboot is for. New origins, changes.

Rebirth was supposed to not be a reboot. And yet, here, it is Rucka and DC saying : "What you people who liked New 52 Wonder Woman was a lie. Sucks to be you. And not only is it a lie in the main Wonder Woman books, but clearly, SM/WW was somewhat of a lie too. Here, have her with Steve Trevor, aka Macho Man, standard bearer of the Patriarchy".

Comparing the New 52 treatment of the characters with the Rebirth one totally forget it. After all, all the things about the old Wonder Woman line are returned in the most insulting way to the teams working in the previous five years. And I must add that the message behind by this behaviour is extremely toxic in my eyes, which is why I despise this issue of WW and the latest Action Comics equally.

[numberthirty]

That's what a reboot is for. New origins, changes.

Rebirth was supposed to not be a reboot. And yet, here, it is Rucka and DC saying : "What you people who liked New 52 Wonder Woman was a lie. Sucks to be you. And not only is it a lie in the main Wonder Woman books, but clearly, SM/WW was somewhat of a lie too. Here, have her with Steve Trevor, aka Macho Man, standard bearer of the Patriarchy".

Comparing the New 52 treatment of the characters with the Rebirth one totally forget it. After all, all the things about the old Wonder Woman line are returned in the most insulting way to the teams working in the previous five years. And I must add that the message behind by this behaviour is extremely toxic in my eyes, which is why I despise this issue of WW and the latest Action Comics equally.

If that's what is about to happen...

It's getting to the point where I am not so sure.

[Scott Taylor]

The name of the story is "Lies." Not sure we can rely on much of what we are seeing happen between the characters being the new status quo just yet.

[Sacred Knight]

If that's what is about to happen...

It's getting to the point where I am not so sure.

What's your theory on what's going on?

[numberthirty]

What's your theory on what's going on?

That the "Bigger Picture" angle is an issue.

If "Year One" is actually what happened, how does the twin brother fit into things? There are just quite a few things that seem like they are going to be hard to reconcile if it is an "Either/Or" proposition.

[SiegePerilous02]

That's what a reboot is for. New origins, changes.

Rebirth was supposed to not be a reboot. And yet, here, it is Rucka and DC saying : "What you people who liked New 52 Wonder Woman was a lie. Sucks to be you. And not only is it a lie in the main Wonder Woman books, but clearly, SM/WW was somewhat of a lie too. Here, have her with Steve Trevor, aka Macho Man, standard bearer of the Patriarchy".

Comparing the New 52 treatment of the characters with the Rebirth one totally forget it. After all, all the things about the old Wonder Woman line are returned in the most insulting way to the teams working in the previous five years. And I must add that the message behind by this behaviour is extremely toxic in my eyes, which is why I despise this issue of WW and the latest Action Comics equally.

It doesnt matter if it was a reboot. It was still needlessly throwing shade at elements that fans of the older vetsions viewed as important. The clay birth was now considered an insult to men and their semen instead of just being a celebration of feminity and queerness (Diana used to have three mothers, now she is the latest offspring of Zeus the uber pimp). There is a big difference between the Amazons being imperfect and making them murder defenseless men. None of Rucka's responses are unprovoked. A response has been building since those issues came out.

Steve is not the uber patriarch you're painting him as. He wouldnt have pointed out Cadullo's BS if he was, he would have agreed with him. Pairing her up with Superman, or the idea that Superman needs an invincible mate who can take his stamina, has always been a bigger patriarchal idea.