Examples of Pre-Flashpoint Canon Reasserting Itself in the DC Universe

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Continuity in comics only really became a bigger deal in the late 1950s when all the various elements established in the Most Weisenger edited Superman comics solidified into a pretty complex continuity (even though they often contradicted other DC comics and older Superman comics) . The Julie Shwartz edited comics of The Flash, Green Lantern, The Atom, Hawkman, and Justice League of America also had their own tight continuity.

However, it wasn't until Stan Lee, Jack Kirby & Steve Ditko took that concept and really blew the lid off of the idea of a tight inter-connected continuity at Marvel in the early 1960s that it became a bigger priority for DC to follow suit because, up until that point, the market was children who would cycle through every few years so it wouldn't really matter if newer stories contradicted older ones.

The introduction of the Multiverse in the early 1960s allowed DC to continue to play fast and loose with their continuity for decades because anything that didn't fit could be explained away as an alternate Earth. However, with Marvel's more connected continuity resonating more with readers, the original Crisis was DC's path to follow suit.

Dick Giordano was less concerned with continuity than Mike Carlin, who applied a much heavier hand in keeping everything straight, but the problem he had was that a lot of the decisions made for the Post-Crisis continuity were bad ones and his insistence on sticking to those dumb ideas were largely a waste of time because creators kept trying to reverse them.

Dan Didio has had a much more chaotic idea of how DC continuity should work, as evidenced by his repeated desire to reboot the DCU until he finally got what he wanted with the New 52, only to watch it blow up in his face.

[Dataweaver]

All I said was that Peter David's YJ was back in continuity. Whether that means that all of it or only part of it is back, it still means that at least some of it is back.



Except Tim also remembers Conner apparently.

Does he? I see no indication of that, yet, in YJ; and prior to YJ, a major plot point of A Lonely Place of Living was that Tim didn't remember Conner, even after his pre-Flashpoint origin was restored.

Mind you, I won't be surprised if Tim remembers Conner when they finally meet in YJ#2 or 3; I'm just saying that at this point it hasn't been confirmed that Tim knows Conner.

[Green Goblin of Sector 2814]

Does he? I see no indication of that, yet, in YJ; and prior to YJ, a major plot point of A Lonely Place of Living was that Tim didn't remember Conner, even after his pre-Flashpoint origin was restored.

Mind you, I won't be surprised if Tim remembers Conner when they finally meet in YJ#2 or 3; I'm just saying that at this point it hasn't been confirmed that Tim knows Conner.

In YJ #1, when Bart says “Young Justice is back”, Tim responds with “not without Conner.”

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The classic Omega Men are back in the latest issue of Supergirl, but they've added Scrapps from Tom King's DCYou-era Omega Men.

However, this isn't the Pre-Flashpoint Omega Men or the DCYou Omega Men since several of them should be dead, but they are all alive again.

Also, Ted Kord definitely was killed by Max Lord, but came back and is aware of it, per Heroes in Crisis #4.

It seems the continuity shenanigans occurring within the DCU are becoming more pronounced.

BTW, I noticed that the CBR Forums can't have any super-long threads or else it will cause problems. Zeeguy91, do you want to reboot this thread? But, when you do, try not to retcon me into being a rookie poster who just joined the Continuity Cops.

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btw, i noticed that the cbr forums can't have any super-long threads or else it will cause problems. Zeeguy91, do you want to reboot this thread? But, when you do, try not to retcon me into being a rookie poster who just joined the continuity cops.

examples of pre-flashpoint canon reasserting itself in the dc universe 2019 :d

[Gero4568]

Wally technically isn't a refugee as it was established he got rebooted like everyone else. The only reason he has memories of the Pre-Flashpoint timeline is because he was adrift in the time-stream and got stuck in the Speed Force. And since Wally's history as the Flash never happened in the new timeline, I'm not sure how Bart could retain his history in it which would mean he'd have to be a refugee.

In Flash Annual #1, it was established that Post-Flashpoint Wally was the Flash for at least a small bit of time, as shown is his memory with Post-Rebirth NTT. This is supported with Metal referencing Final Crisis (Barry's return), and the HoC #6 variant cover showing Wally reacting to Barry's death in CoIE.

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In Flash Annual #1, it was established that Post-Flashpoint Wally was the Flash for at least a small bit of time, as shown is his memory with Post-Rebirth NTT. This is supported with Metal referencing Final Crisis (Barry's return), and the HoC #6 variant cover showing Wally reacting to Barry's death in CoIE.

Titans firmly establishes that Wally was never the Flash in the current timeline because Kadabra got rid of him when he was Kid Flash. Kadabra specifically chose that time because Wally hadn't met Linda yet, and without Linda being his lightning rod, he wouldn't be able to find his way back. The only time Wally was the Flash in this timeline was after he came back in Rebirth.

His memories of the NTT in the Annual was from the Pre-Flashpoint timeline, the variant covers aren't always of things that happened within current continuity, and just because something is referenced unfortunately doesn't mean things necessarily played out the same.

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In Flash Annual #1, it was established that Post-Flashpoint Wally was the Flash for at least a small bit of time, as shown is his memory with Post-Rebirth NTT. This is supported with Metal referencing Final Crisis (Barry's return), and the HoC #6 variant cover showing Wally reacting to Barry's death in CoIE.

That's just Wally remembering things. The only part of that that implies anything weird is Frances knowing/remembering things that we know didn't happen in this timeline (the mansion).

Covers aren't canon. Aquaman never had the water hand and dead son in this continuity and that's implied in one of the covers. Max Lord never happened in this continuity (he's still alive!) and that's on one of the covers.

[Frontier]

Y'know, when Barry had a deja vu moment of his Crisis death early in Williamson's run I thought they might set up that his death and resurrection happened during the possible 15-year timeline, and they'd insert Wally's Flash history in the interim, but that was apparently not to be .

[Gero4568]

That's just Wally remembering things. The only part of that that implies anything weird is Frances knowing/remembering things that we know didn't happen in this timeline (the mansion).

Covers aren't canon. Aquaman never had the water hand and dead son in this continuity and that's implied in one of the covers. Max Lord never happened in this continuity (he's still alive!) and that's on one of the covers.

HoC #4 verifies he killed Ted. Blackest Night has also been referenced. Safe to say that Max Lord died in this continuity.

NTT has also been referenced in Deathstroke and in Justice League Odyssey. Cyborg and Starfire apparently knowing each other now is just a little convenient. Also, Wally's memories of NTT in that issue showed Cyborg and Robin in Post-FP design. Additionally, the DCU Wiki says that the NNT Titans in Flash Annual #1 (2018), The Titans in Wally's memory were indeed from Prime Earth.

Link: https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/The_Flash_Annual_Vol_5_1

[Dataweaver]

Note that both Ted and Max have appeared alive and well in the current continuity: Ted in the Blue Beetle Rebirth series, and Max in the Justice League vs. Suicide Squad event. Max may have killed Ted (and been killed by Wonder Woman in turn); but if so, they got better.

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Note that both Ted and Max have appeared alive and well in the current continuity: Ted in the Blue Beetle Rebirth series, and Max in the Justice League vs. Suicide Squad event. Max may have killed Ted (and been killed by Wonder Woman in turn); but if so, they got better.

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened in comic books.

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Metal #1 specifically mentioned Aquaman's hook hand.

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WOW.. Nobody commented here during a looooong time..

Adam Glass said that Lobo killed his kids again in this continuity in Teen Titans 31

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DC: Millennium officially restores New Teen Titans and Johns' Titans to continuity.