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    Quote Originally Posted by Caivu View Post
    Nah, too easy.
    Say what you have to say lol. I'm supposed to be scared?!?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
    Say what you have to say lol. I'm supposed to be scared?!?!
    You're complaining about Batman using kids as allies when Tony's doing the exact same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Stark View Post
    Please. Tony has created things to help people medically. Created hospitals for the mentally handicapped and other things. The batwing and all of that aren't weapons?! Hell he uses kids as weapons.
    Lol, this is the winner of this debate.
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    I honestly think Carol has to a lot more to recover from from this event than Tony does. Tony wasn't arresting innocent people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caivu View Post
    You're complaining about Batman using kids as allies when Tony's doing the exact same thing.
    Now because of Bendis yeah. Batman's been doing it how long?!?!
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    Well, Infamous Iron Man made it sound like he's definitely presumed dead by the general public, though the impression from Avengers was that he was just out-of-commission for some reason.

    Given the treatment of characters like War Machine, Bruce Banner, and even She-Hulk to some degree in this event, it's probably too much to expect Tony's last issue as Iron Man for the foreseeable future to be anything but an ignoble end. Especially given what we've seen of his final fight with Carol.

    And given how Bendis has been treating Iron Man in the past few months, he might as well just put the titular character out of his misery for a while so he can write Dr. Doom and the new original creation he's heavily pushing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Well, Infamous Iron Man made it sound like he's definitely presumed dead by the general public, though the impression from Avengers was that he was just out-of-commission for some reason.

    Given the treatment of characters like War Machine, Bruce Banner, and even She-Hulk to some degree in this event, it's probably too much to expect Tony's last issue as Iron Man for the foreseeable future to be anything but an ignoble end. Especially given what we've seen of his final fight with Carol.

    And given how Bendis has been treating Iron Man in the past few months, he might as well just put the titular character out of his misery for a while so he can write Dr. Doom and the new original creation he's heavily pushing...
    One of the things I have overlooked about CWII is how brutal this event has been without the Mark Millar face smashing. As a general-run story you would never see Rhodey, She-Hulk and Hulk eliminated off the playing field so thoroughly like we got this Event. Sneakily, Bendis slipped in these deaths and injuries as evidence Death doesn't take a holiday in Events. We see our heroes consistently slip out of dangerous situations to be ready for their next appearance next issue, but in Events like this, someone removes the invulnerability clause in their contracts, and suddenly, you see characters beat up to within the edge of their life, or just plain killed, like one of those detective movies that kill all the characters one by one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravin' Ray View Post
    Did he live? Did he die? The fate of Tony Stark remains a mystery, as the few glimpses we’ve seen of the post-“Civil War II”Marvel Universe indicate that at the very least he’s no longer in the public eye. David Marquez has issue #8's cover here.
    Ray, is this issue #8 supposed to be the "Oath" issue, or is the "Oath" a separate book again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LOSTie-chan View Post
    I honestly think Carol has to a lot more to recover from from this event than Tony does. Tony wasn't arresting innocent people.
    doesn't really mean anything, if the public is on her side. always remember that you're basically eavesdropping on another "universe." you've never had to worry about Galactus eating our world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Watkins View Post
    doesn't really mean anything, if the public is on her side. always remember that you're basically eavesdropping on another "universe." you've never had to worry about Galactus eating our world.
    This. We here in our universe don't deal with even 1/1000 of what the MU does, and I don't blame its citizens one bit for wanting safety at any cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caivu View Post
    This. We here in our universe don't deal with even 1/1000 of what the MU does, and I don't blame its citizens one bit for wanting safety at any cost.
    It's an important point to realise that any citizen of the MU is basically living in Syria, with bombs raining down on them as they try to go about their daily lives. Anybody living in that kind of battle zone, constantly, would jump at the chance to have predictive justice to shoot down those planes as they appear. Anybody in the Second World War would have grasped at any advantage they could possibly have over the enemy, be it Dam buster tech, or Howling Commandoes doing sabotage, or, help escaping scientists, atomic bombs, U2 missiles, laser beams, vibrational weapons to explode bodies. Do you see why people always attack mutants, hate super heroes, rejoice when the Hulk is killed, bring out the SHRA or MRA, send Sentinels to keep mutants surrounded? I think it's worth realising the MU is a terror environment, and in some respects, the ANAD post-CWII is a welcome respite from the constant threat of house destruction and sudden death. The MU citizens are like ants getting stood on by inconsiderate giants just traipsing along blind to the mortality rate they cause all around them.

    I can't see why the humans are not aggressively destroying Inhuman pods as they appear and just wipe out Crystals team every time they try to intervene. The Inhuman population growth after Inhumanity is just more Syrian bombers over their cities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caivu View Post
    This. We here in our universe don't deal with even 1/1000 of what the MU does, and I don't blame its citizens one bit for wanting safety at any cost.
    It's certainly consistent for the citizens of the Marvel Universe to support something they perceive as good in-spite of it's moral and ethical issues...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackolover View Post
    Ray, is this issue #8 supposed to be the "Oath" issue, or is the "Oath" a separate book again?
    I am pretty sure the 'Oath' issue is a one-shot written by Nick Spencer, so not #8 I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    It's certainly consistent for the citizens of the Marvel Universe to support something they perceive as good in-spite of it's moral and ethical issues...
    I think when you're in a position where your entire planet faces destruction every couple of months or so, those issues become significantly less important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackolover View Post
    It's an important point to realise that any citizen of the MU is basically living in Syria, with bombs raining down on them as they try to go about their daily lives. Anybody living in that kind of battle zone, constantly, would jump at the chance to have predictive justice to shoot down those planes as they appear. Anybody in the Second World War would have grasped at any advantage they could possibly have over the enemy, be it Dam buster tech, or Howling Commandoes doing sabotage, or, help escaping scientists, atomic bombs, U2 missiles, laser beams, vibrational weapons to explode bodies. Do you see why people always attack mutants, hate super heroes, rejoice when the Hulk is killed, bring out the SHRA or MRA, send Sentinels to keep mutants surrounded? I think it's worth realising the MU is a terror environment, and in some respects, the ANAD post-CWII is a welcome respite from the constant threat of house destruction and sudden death. The MU citizens are like ants getting stood on by inconsiderate giants just traipsing along blind to the mortality rate they cause all around them.

    I can't see why the humans are not aggressively destroying Inhuman pods as they appear and just wipe out Crystals team every time they try to intervene. The Inhuman population growth after Inhumanity is just more Syrian bombers over their cities.
    That last part has been a major gripe for X-Men fans, too, for much the same reasoning as you point out. If the in-universe public is so hostile to superheroes and the super-powered in general because they perceive them as such threatening forces in their lives regardless of whether they self-identify as "heroes" or "villains," then why aren't the Inhumans facing just as much backlash as mutants have always had to deal with?
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