Last edited by Michael Watkins; 11-08-2016 at 07:28 PM.
I wouldn't say it's that brutal. Even then the Civil War I tie-ins had more nuance, and better world building. Also, it was more brutal.
- Johnny Storm beat into a coma
- Speedball's entire ordeal, and transition into Penance
- The beating Parker took when he defected
- Low level heroes forced to retire to live their lives, and/or protect their families, from public backlash
- All those orphans of Atlantean spies
As a whole CWI is far superior in every way.
Well, "superior" in relative terms .
I'd say both events were bad and harmful in their own way and indicative of larger issues at Marvel.
That's one way to portray it, and a legitimate way, but another way to look at it is that supervillain attacks are just part of everyday life in a superhero city, and most people don't really worry about them much. Maybe they even enjoy the superhero vs. supervillain fights and the smashed buildings as part of the fun of living in the city.
Either way can work, it just depends on which way the writer chooses to portray it. The ordinary people in a superhero universe don't necessarily see superhero violence as the equivalent of, say, street crime.
If there's one thing the citizens of the MU are known for, it's their opinions changing on a dime to serve a story .
that was just karma. notice that Johnny Storm was insulting the New Warriors (he and Nita used to date) before that bottle hit him. he was basically agreeing w/ the crowd; not realizing that they didn't see any distinction between the Warriors and any other costumed hero.
he was his own worse enemy during that mess. the reality tv show was a stupid idea. Penance was even dumber. he should have "fallen on his sword" and, publically, apologized. even Squirrel Girl got tired of him.
he could have walked away. instead, he attacked Iron Man. I really don't get his defection. the motive seemed to be entirely selfish. that doesn't seem in-character for Peter.
can you really retire from a hobby? those low level heroes were basically cosplaying. they put their families in danger by dressing up, in the first place. and a number of them were dangerous psychopaths i.e. Thunderclap and Typeface.
I still have no idea what that was about.
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His defection was based on his principles, namely the idea that in America, people shouldn't get locked up forever in the Negative Zone, with no opportunity for a hearing or a trial in a court of law where they could defend themselves and their actions in front of a judge and jury, for not following a law that they believed to be unjust. Hell, joining Iron Man was the more selfish action, because it was largely motivated by a sense of personal fealty that shouldn't have outweighed his sense that registering his identity with the government, the same government that had been more than willing to hire super-villains and other morally dubious people for morally dubious aims, especially after the times that someone like Norman Osborn or Venom got ahold of it and used it to target his loved ones as payback for foiling them or whatever personal wrong they felt he did them just by existing, was a huge mistake. In fact, what did Doctor Octopus do when he found out who Spider-Man was after all those years of fighting him? He attacked the school Peter was teaching at, while class was in session. Oh, and Peter was just going to leave when he realized he couldn't morally support or condone what Tony was doing anymore. It was Tony that intercepted him with every intent of keeping him from leaving by any means he could, including the virus he had hidden in the Iron Spider Armor to shut it down if Peter was no longer willing to comply with his orders.
The spider is always on the hunt.
so if criminals started targeting the families of police officers, that means that the individual officers have been selfish? I'm just trying to understand your train of logic, here. because, from my perspective, Peter was living up to that "great power" mantra everyone associates him with. Doctor Octopus is a bad person. becoming a registered hero doesn't stop Peter from taking him down. it's just signaled to the public that he got training to take Ock down. he's accountable for what happens during said take down.