Inhuman and Mutant issues and relations

[Iron Fist]

Iron Fist:

They first acted against mutants.

The first act of aggression was the X-Men taking out the cloud.

let's ignore inhuman books or IvX?
what about Crystal and Frenzy? Poor mutant cheated by inhumans.
Inhuman PR won battle and because of that mutants (and Cyclops) are hated more than ever. That was wrote by writers od DoX and IvX.
thousands of mutants died because of inhuman PR.

Crystal used a mutant to prove a point, it did nothing to change anyone's opinions on mutants hating the Inhumans. It just served a small time purpose, there were no larger consequences. No point of this stunt suggestions that Crystal speaks for all Inhumans or that the Inhumans are ready to sacrifice anyone. It's not on the page, you just invented it.

any actions against the cloud = war with inhumans
and Inhumans don't want to contain the cloud. They have better technology but they didn't used it to contain the cloud.

The Inhumans don't or they have done it. The X-Men have Storm who can send the cloud into space, and hasn't. Trying to use these arguments is bs because the answer is always editorial on both sides of why the cloud hasn't been dealt with. Iceman could have frozen it into a giant ice cube and given it back to Attilan, but hasn't.

words? yes
actions? no.
Inhumans actions are all about conflict.

Medusa evacuating mutants from the cloud and agreeing to a truce after the Inhumans were well in the rights to destroy the X-Men, yeah those Inhumans totally conflict driven.

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How does this answer my question?

So a whole year of countless deaths and now facing 2 weeks limit isn't good enough to take a 'f#$k the Inhumans' stance.

But the Inhumans have the right to have a 'f#$k the mutants' stance.

Gotcha.

If the mutants had a machine to give the cloud back to the Inhumans, and haven't even told the Inhumans about it then mutants should have a 'f*k the x-men' stance themselves since they're basically letting them all die. Only X-Men doing anything for the cause is beast, funny enough.

The Inhumans have never attacked the X-Men and have tried to create a peaceful solution every step of the way, and they're repaid with yet another attack on their species. So yeah the Inhumans are well within their rights to say enough with giving the X-Men second chances.

[Magneto]

Sure, but what didn't really make sense is why he went to his scream immediately. He can beat the Thing, he can handle Dazzler and Emma

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Lol, that's one of the worst analogy i've ever seen. The Thing is nothing like Emma or Dazzler.

[Revoirver2]

If Fan both side want to blame someone, blame it to Marvel editorial.

in secret war before Black Panther use Infinite Gauntlet. Cyclop built a Nation and no sight of mutant dying.
in Inhumanity Uncanny X-men, Emma Jean and friend walk-in througt mist no one get sick.

magneto

Lol, that's one of the worst analogy i've ever seen. The Thing is nothing like Emma or Dazzler.

did Emma or Dazzler stronger than Ben ?. if not then BB not need to use his voice

[Xelossik]

Iron Fist :

The first act of aggression was the X-Men taking out the cloud.

mutants died because of the cloud...

Crystal used a mutant to prove a point, it did nothing to change anyone's opinions on mutants hating the Inhumans. It just served a small time purpose, there were no larger consequences. No point of this stunt suggestions that Crystal speaks for all Inhumans or that the Inhumans are ready to sacrifice anyone. It's not on the page, you just invented it.

Inhuman Pr won and because of that mutants are hated and they are dying because for some time inhumans couldn't keep up with the cloud. That's the truth.

The X-Men have Storm who can send the cloud into space, and hasn't.

show me scan please.
Emma can beat BB on panel

Iceman could have frozen it into a giant ice cube and given it back to Attilan, but hasn't.

how could this help? that would be a war because cloud would be destroyed by X-men

Medusa evacuating mutants from the cloud and agreeing to a truce after the Inhumans were well in the rights to destroy the X-Men, yeah those Inhumans totally conflict driven.

Buahhahaa that's great joke.
Inhuman had all rights?
Then they are should be killed and resurrected and killed again till the end of time because cloud killed mutants...
Inhumans did something more terrible.

[Iron Fist]

Iron Fist :

mutants died because of the cloud...

And that became the Inhumans fault when? It was harmless when they released it and since finding out it's become toxic, they've done nothing but try to correct the problem and been met with the X-Men's hostility at every turn.

Inhuman Pr won and because of that mutants are hated and they are dying because for some time inhumans couldn't keep up with the cloud. That's the truth.

There is zero evidence the Inhumans waged a PR war on the mutants. The world hates mutants, the Inhumans didn't make that happen. The mutants didn't correct that either. Their crappy PR is their own fault.

show me scan please.
Emma can beat BB on panel

You want a scan Storm can manipulate the weather?

how could this help? that would be a war because cloud would be destroyed by X-men

Since when are chemicals destroyed because they've been frozen?

Buahhahaa that's great joke.
Inhuman had all rights?
Then they are should be killed and resurrected and killed again till the end of time because cloud killed mutants...
Inhumans did something more terrible.

Inhumans haven't done a terrible thing in their entire conflict, name one deliberate terrible thing they've done to mutants since the cloud's release?

[Ravin' Ray]

Mod reminder: please keep the discussion on-topic and not about each other. Thanks.

[Xelossik]

Iron Fist

And that became the Inhumans fault when?

You said that inhumans had all right to kill X-men because one of them destroyed one cloud. This is completely wrong but if You are believe that this is true then all inhumans did something more terrible and they killed thousands of mutants.

There is zero evidence the Inhumans waged a PR war on the mutants.

except writers words in his exposition and all new inhumans?

Their crappy PR is their own fault.

as i said: Inhumans have better PR.

You want a scan Storm can manipulate the weather?

You can walk but it doesn't mean that You can walk with 100 kilometers per hour.
Storm can move cloud but we don't know if she can move cloud to the space

Since when are chemicals destroyed because they've been frozen?

no cloud = war

Inhumans haven't done a terrible thing in their entire conflict, name one deliberate terrible thing they've done to mutants since the cloud's release?

Killing "Cyclops" without trial
Cheating UN
defending the cloud which kills mutants (especially when they couldn't keep with this cloud)

[Iron Fist]

Iron Fist

You said that inhumans had all right to kill X-men because one of them destroyed one cloud. This is completely wrong but if You are believe that this is true then all inhumans did something more terrible and they killed thousands of mutants.

You're ignoring intent. The cloud was not a weapon or an aggressive act against anyone, destroying the cloud was an act of war.

except writers words in his exposition and all new inhumans?

How does what Crystal tell you all mutants were pushing the 'cyclops is hitler' narrative present in the universe? That's a dramatic slippery slope in logic. Show me where, on the page, it says the mutants have been using their resources to demonise all mutants and the x-men?

as i said: Inhumans have better PR.

Because the Inhumans actually understand politics and optics, the X-Men don't, and they've failed at it since day one of their publication history. It's why they're always a hated minority because they suck at optics and PR. They save the world multiple times and aren't capable of spinning that into good PR in the eyes of the public. That's basic ineptitude. The Inhumans have been pushing the same line of co-existence the X-Men have but they're just better at it because they understand politics while the X-Men just cross their fingers that humanity are going to just start liking them.

You can walk but it doesn't mean that You can walk with 100 kilometers per hour.
Storm can move cloud but we don't know if she can move cloud to the space

Because her entire publication history has shown her incredibly capable at weather manipulation.

Storm who affects weather globally when she's slightly miffed.



It's a foregone conclusion she is capable of sending the cloud into space or changing it's molecular structure to disperse the terrigen.

no cloud = war

How does ice cube = no cloud.

Inhumans care about the terrigen, they don't care if it's a cloud, an ice cube, a crystal.

Killing "Cyclops" without trial
Cheating UN
defending the cloud which kills mutants (especially when they couldn't keep with this cloud)

I'm sorry, the Inhumans having Black Bolt shout at an illusion is somehow massively detrimental to the mutant species? How does that math work?

How does what Crystal did with the UN negatively impact mutants? She didn't make them think the mutants hate them, the X-Men did that, she just used it for politics.

So the short period they couldn't evacuate mutants from the cloud (because they were under staffed and held up my discount North Korea) outweighs all the mutants they evacuated in the follow 8 months? Ok.

[Magneto]

If Fan both side want to blame someone, blame it to Marvel editorial.

in secret war before Black Panther use Infinite Gauntlet. Cyclop built a Nation and no sight of mutant dying.
in Inhumanity Uncanny X-men, Emma Jean and friend walk-in througt mist no one get sick.

magneto


did Emma or Dazzler stronger than Ben ?. if not then BB not need to use his voice

It has nothing to do with strength. BB was taken by surprised and he lost.

[Iron Fist]

It has nothing to do with strength. BB was taken by surprised and he lost.

BB even when surprised doesn't use his voice as a first reaction. It just doesn't happen.

It was written (badly) to facilitate Dazzler, and that's all there is to it tbqh.

[SpiderClops]

You're ignoring intent. The cloud was not a weapon or an aggressive act against anyone, destroying the cloud was an act of war.

How does what Crystal tell you all mutants were pushing the 'cyclops is hitler' narrative present in the universe? That's a dramatic slippery slope in logic. Show me where, on the page, it says the mutants have been using their resources to demonise all mutants and the x-men?

Because the Inhumans actually understand politics and optics, the X-Men don't, and they've failed at it since day one of their publication history. It's why they're always a hated minority because they suck at optics and PR. They save the world multiple times and aren't capable of spinning that into good PR in the eyes of the public. That's basic ineptitude. The Inhumans have been pushing the same line of co-existence the X-Men have but they're just better at it because they understand politics while the X-Men just cross their fingers that humanity are going to just start liking them.
Because her entire publication history has shown her incredibly capable at weather manipulation.

Storm who affects weather globally when she's slightly miffed.



It's a foregone conclusion she is capable of sending the cloud into space or changing it's molecular structure to disperse the terrigen.

How does ice cube = no cloud.

Inhumans care about the terrigen, they don't care if it's a cloud, an ice cube, a crystal.

I'm sorry, the Inhumans having Black Bolt shout at an illusion is somehow massively detrimental to the mutant species? How does that math work?

How does what Crystal did with the UN negatively impact mutants? She didn't make them think the mutants hate them, the X-Men did that, she just used it for politics.

So the short period they couldn't evacuate mutants from the cloud (because they were under staffed and held up my discount North Korea) outweighs all the mutants they evacuated in the follow 8 months? Ok.

Black Bolt didn't know it was an illusion. And it wasn't self defense either. Medusa gave order to kill "Cyclops" before he readied his optic blast. Both BB and Medusa's expressions in those panels makes it clear.

It was murder.

[Iron Fist]

Black Bolt didn't know it was an illusion. And it wasn't self defense either. Medusa gave order to kill "Cyclops" before he readied his optic blast. Both BB and Medusa's expressions in those panels makes it clear.

It was murder.

No it wasn't.

If you fire a gun at what you think is a person, and it turns out to be a shadow it's not murder.

You have to actually intend to kill someone, and ACTUALLY kill someone for it to be murder.

Black Bolt didn't kill anyone in DOX.

[SpiderClops]

No it wasn't.

If you fire a gun at what you think is a person, and it turns out to be a shadow it's not murder.

You have to actually intend to kill someone, and ACTUALLY kill someone for it to be murder.

Black Bolt didn't kill anyone in DOX.

But nobody knows that it wasn't actually Cyclops. Why are everyone okay with this?

Oh it was an illusion. BB DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS AN ILLUSION.

EDIT: It was BB who detonated the terrigen bomb. So Scott's death is still his fault.

[Xelossik]

Iron Fist :

You're ignoring intent. The cloud was not a weapon or an aggressive act against anyone, destroying the cloud was an act of war.

Inhumans - unintentionally killing of thousands
mutants - intentionally destroyed one cloud which kills them
I am not ignoring anything. Unintentionally killing is worse.

Show me where, on the page, it says the mutants have been using their resources to demonise all mutants and the x-men?

mutants left Earth. They weren't there. They couldn't defend Yourself.

Because the Inhumans actually understand politics and optics, the X-Men don't, and they've failed at it since day one of their publication history.

true
Inhumans acted terrible but had great PR and because of that they won.

The Inhumans have been pushing the same line of co-existence the X-Men have but they're just better at it because they understand politics while the X-Men just cross their fingers that humanity are going to just start liking them.

You are right about Inhumans
You are wrong about X-men:
You are right about X-men lead by Storm
You are wrong about X-men lead by Magneto - they don't care about this. They only want to destroy enemies of mutantkind
You are wrong about 3rd factions - X-men who joined Avengers:P

Because her entire publication history has shown her incredibly capable at weather manipulation.

Yes she is capable of weather manipulation but so what?
Colossus has super strenght but Hulk is stronger

Inhumans care about the terrigen, they don't care if it's a cloud, an ice cube, a crystal.

That's not true
they need more inhumans
No cloud = less new inhumans

I'm sorry, the Inhumans having Black Bolt shout at an illusion is somehow massively detrimental to the mutant species? How does that math work?

Trying to kill = bad

How does what Crystal did with the UN negatively impact mutants? She didn't make them think the mutants hate them, the X-Men did that, she just used it for politics.

How cheating that mutants are attacking inhumans is bad? if You don't understand that cheating is bad then whatever...
That was great political decision. That's true. But morally? that was terrible because of that mutants are hated more and many died because of that.
Many inhumans also died because of that . People thought that they are mutants.

So the short period they couldn't evacuate mutants from the cloud (because they were under staffed and held up my discount North Korea) outweighs all the mutants they evacuated in the follow 8 months? Ok.

That's not true.
You don't know if this was short time or not.
You know that thousands or more died because on inhuman cloud. For me this is bad.

[Iron Fist]

But nobody knows that it wasn't actually Cyclops. Why are everyone okay with this?

Oh it was an illusion. BB DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS AN ILLUSION.

EDIT: It was BB who detonated the terrigen bomb. So Scott's death is still his fault.

Everyone seems to have the view that Cyclops destroyed the cloud, fired on the Inhumans and thus had it coming. If you're looking at it from the perspective of what everyone else there heard, Medusa teleported in and shouted why have you made an enemy of us, Cyclops fired on them and BB told him out.

That seems pretty above board?

BB detonated the bomb, which at the time of release was harmless. You cannot blame him for the cloud mutating, it wasn't his intention or within his control.