Spider-Man "needing" the Avengers is disgusting

[Frontier]

Redwing just showed what he thinks of the OP just recently in "Avengers".

I was not surprised at that moment given who was writing the book .

[616MarvelYear is LeapYear]

Um.....did he need them in the 80s and 90s when he and the X-Men were so popular that they carried the company on their backs while the Avengers characters were so unpopular that they had to be cancelled and rebooted by LIEFELD!

I say this in response to both the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon and Civil War, where his costume is designed by Iron Man and Captain America beats him up. This is why I despised the idea of Marvel getting the rights back.

Spider-Man is the company's central character, and to treat him like this is dumb.

True to me. Agreed.

[616MarvelYear is LeapYear]

Spider-Man have been a Avenger since mid 80s in the comics.

I thought he became a reserve Avenger in the 1990s. That aside, I find myself agreeing with the OP in the sense that Spider-Man on his own has long been the face, heart, and maybe soul of Marvel, far more so than the Avengers, who are comparatively Johnny-come-latelies. I also feel like in-universe, he doesn't get nearly the amount of credit and respect he deserves, even if that's been improving in recent years. He's the guy who's been out there fighting the good fight, doing the right thing even in the face of years of public distrust and lack of support from even his fellow heroes fomented by the words of certain media personalities, while with the exception of the X-Men and the Hulk, the big-time heroes like the Avengers and the Fantastic Four benefited from both the support and adulation of the public and the goodwill of U.S. authorities. Would any of them have been able to last in the face of years of the scorn and distrust and outright attacks from the public and/or authorities that Spider-Man (and the X-Men) had to put up with? If anything, the Avengers need him more than he needs them, especially in this day and age where so many of them seem to have missed the point about what it means to be a hero.

Yep! To me Spidey is indeed the face, heart and soul of Marvel

[theoneandonly]

Spiderman needed to have joined the avengers because it would have lead to him being acceptable as a superhero rather than masked menace but given how all the latest threats had arised directly or indirectly due to avengers past actions or interventions like civil war or age of ultron it would be more wise of him now to strike solo.

[Frontier]

Spiderman needed to have joined the avengers because it would have lead to him being acceptable as a superhero rather than masked menace but given how all the latest threats had arised directly or indirectly due to avengers past actions or interventions like civil war or age of ultron it would be more wise of him now to strike solo.

Not like he's contributing much to the current team outside being their new Tony Stark .

[Selina]

Um.....did he need them in the 80s and 90s when he and the X-Men were so popular that they carried the company on their backs while the Avengers characters were so unpopular that they had to be cancelled and rebooted by LIEFELD!

I say this in response to both the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon and Civil War, where his costume is designed by Iron Man and Captain America beats him up. This is why I despised the idea of Marvel getting the rights back.

Spider-Man is the company's central character, and to treat him like this is dumb.

I have been saying the same thing. spiderman in the mcu is a joke. sony should have properly thought things through.

the idea that iron man is now spiderman's surrogate dad is an insult to the character.

tony giving him gadgets? spiderman creates his own gadgets.

[Darthfury78]

I like him teaming with heroes and being on teams. He's fun.

Too bad that the current Avengers writers hardly ever use him as they seem to think that he's Dan Slott's whipping boy...

[DieHard200904]

I have been saying the same thing. spiderman in the mcu is a joke. sony should have properly thought things through.

the idea that iron man is now spiderman's surrogate dad is an insult to the character.

tony giving him gadgets? spiderman creates his own gadgets.

Tony did make the Iron Spider right?

I am not fond of the MCU, but Peter did demonstrate that he had a costume and webbing of his own in CA CW, when Tony met him.

[DV1Band]

Honestly, I rarely "Avenger" anymore. After the Avengers got Bendis'd, it kind of ruined it for me.

[Cmbmool]

Yep! To me Spidey is indeed the face, heart and soul of Marvel

Unless you don't count the events of OMD, BND, and Superior Spider-man, then yeah you can say Spidey's the heart and Soul of Marvel.

[powerpackers90]

I like Peter as an Aveneger cause it fits. They are "Earth Mightiest Heroes". Why wouldn't one of your biggest and most popular heroes be on the team? That's like Batman not being on a Justice League team. My problem was marvel kinda having their cake and eating it too with him as an Avenger. Like cops trying to arrest him during Avenger missions. Or civilians he's saving thinking the Avengers are after him. It just makes this world look stupid. The way Bendis used him just as "the wise ass" also failed. member he had almost zero impact on Norman being taken down during Siege. Spider-man's #1 villain only ever went after him during dark reign in ASM and Iron Man's book. Instead it was mostly Clint and Luke focus. With them treating Peter like he's still 15 and just started being a super hero.

[Huntsman Spider]

I like Peter as an Aveneger cause it fits. They are "Earth Mightiest Heroes". Why wouldn't one of your biggest and most popular heroes be on the team? That's like Batman not being on a Justice League team. My problem was marvel kinda having their cake and eating it too with him as an Avenger. Like cops trying to arrest him during Avenger missions. Or civilians he's saving thinking the Avengers are after him. It just makes this world look stupid. The way Bendis used him just as "the wise ass" also failed. member he had almost zero impact on Norman being taken down during Siege. Spider-man's #1 villain only ever went after him during dark reign in ASM and Iron Man's book. Instead it was mostly Clint and Luke focus. With them treating Peter like he's still 15 and just started being a super hero.

Definitely agree with you that Marvel wasted a real opportunity to have Spider-Man step up in Dark Reign with his worst enemy in charge of H.A.M.M.E.R. (formerly S.H.I.E.L.D.) and leading his own twisted Avengers impostors, and the two major pillars of the superhero community either dead or thoroughly discredited among the public and their heroic peers. For that reason, I'm hoping Nick Spencer does better with Secret Empire, considering Spider-Man's been in the literal center of the promotional art. After all, he and Steve Rogers are usually the two most morally resolute heroes in the Marvel Universe, and if Steve's gone HYDRA and Tony's out of the picture thanks to Civil War II, which has also rendered Carol a highly controversial figure, it could finally be Spider-Man's time to step up and prove he's earned being known in at least several futures as his time period's greatest hero.

[WebLurker]

I like Peter as an Aveneger cause it fits. They are "Earth Mightiest Heroes". Why wouldn't one of your biggest and most popular heroes be on the team? That's like Batman not being on a Justice League team. My problem was marvel kinda having their cake and eating it too with him as an Avenger. Like cops trying to arrest him during Avenger missions. Or civilians he's saving thinking the Avengers are after him. It just makes this world look stupid. The way Bendis used him just as "the wise ass" also failed. member he had almost zero impact on Norman being taken down during Siege. Spider-man's #1 villain only ever went after him during dark reign in ASM and Iron Man's book. Instead it was mostly Clint and Luke focus. With them treating Peter like he's still 15 and just started being a super hero.

I don't know, I think Spider-Man was better suited for the occasional team-up rather than being part of the Avengers:

1.) The Avengers take on the national and cosmic threats. Spider-Man's bread and butter has always been the street-level crime and problems.

2.) The Avengers have the reputation as heroes, Spider-Man does not. (He may be the most popular character to us readers, but he's not that well loved in the Marvel world.)

3.) Most of the other Avengers seem to be most steeped in their superhero careers, Spider-Man seemed to prefer his normal life.

4.) The Avenger members all seem to live larger-than-normal lives and be really famous. Peter Parker is very much less so and had a very normal life (blue-collar job, a wife and maybe kids depending on which continuity we're talking, etc.)

[Hulkout42]

If anything I would argue the Avengers needed Spider-Man, which is why Bendis put him and Wolverine on the team. I don't really understand where the notion that it's the reverse is coming from.

Agreed 100%

[SilverSpider]

The Avengers did need Spider-Man's popularity to boost them among the marvel readers, but after the successfull movies I would argue that the inclusion of Spidey is no longer that vital. I would much prefer Spider-Man having a team of some spider themed chars like: Silk, Scarlet Spider(Kain), Firestar, Silver Sable for example.