View Poll Results: Are "Cyclops" actions justified

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  • Yeah, IDEAS NEVER DIE

    82 28.67%
  • No, he's literally Hitler!

    5 1.75%
  • Cyclops literally did nothing wrong

    180 62.94%
  • Death to the inhumans!

    74 25.87%
  • This story is terrible and it has more plot holes than batman v superman

    91 31.82%
  • I'm so skipping IvX

    39 13.64%
  • ResurrXion can't come soon enough

    81 28.32%
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJpyro View Post
    So did ALchemy make literally everyone except Emma's Team look bad by saving mutants and giving his life?
    Pretty much.

    Now he has that to add to his resume next to helping completely remove anti-mutant bigotry in Europe a few years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CoCoBandz View Post
    Pretty much.

    Now he has that to add to his resume next to helping completely remove anti-mutant bigotry in Europe a few years ago.
    So basically instead of cyclops, storm should have address her speech to Alchemy.

    How do these stories get written like this? Why? I don't understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wissenschaft View Post
    So basically instead of cyclops, storm should have address her speech to Alchemy.

    How do these stories get written like this? Why? I don't understand.
    Maybe these writers are totally overworked or maybe they are not the most educated writers? I also have no idea how something like 'Death of X' can get published without editors calling out the bullshit when they see it. "Hey author, maybe your story does not make sense at all!"

    But I think that it is actually a conscious strategy to anger fans because it will create attention and attentions sells. It is the "Donald Trump success"-story actually. A dumb, reality TV asshole gets a lot of attention from the media for saying highly offensive rhetorical atrocities and that is enough so he ends up becoming president. The dumbest, loudest and most offensive stories will create the most attention. I think that the X-Men also have a large fanbase with a minority background and Marvel knows exactly how to offend us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulsword323 View Post
    So Black Bolt and Medusa have a right to defend themselves against fake Cyclops, but Cyclops and Emma don't have the right to defend their race of people from the terrigen cloud?
    Fake-Scott basically told them to their face he would cause the end of their group, before seemingly attacking. They should have hugged him instead?

    At some point, people need to realize there is no winner with clean hands here.
    To survive, one group would have to cause the end of the other. Acting like Emma has any moral high ground is absurd. She doesn't.
    "The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
    Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."


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    Quote Originally Posted by People Of The Earth View Post
    Fake-Scott basically told them to their face he would cause the end of their group, before seemingly attacking. They should have hugged him instead?

    At some point, people need to realize there is no winner with clean hands here.
    To survive, one group would have to cause the end of the other. Acting like Emma has any moral high ground is absurd. She doesn't.
    now I understand what you are. You are a primitivist. Wishing the Inhumans to re-claim a long lost authenticity that was destroyed the moment they left their segregated slave society.

    Like I said before, you are trivializing the violent deaths of innocent mutants to produce a narrative that implies that both "species" face the same destiny. But they don't!! Inhumans are only afraid of societal change. Mutants are afraid to die! (this is the crucial difference you seem to ignore). Mutants are acting in selfdefense, Inhumans are afraid to become weak and to change.
    Last edited by CyclopsWasRight2; 11-24-2016 at 06:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nx01a View Post
    Show proof. Show me panels of them going out rescuing mutants, throwing all of their alien technology and their super smart people at Beast's efforts, show them doing anything to try to contain or divert the cloud from populated areas. I'll [not] wait.
    Madrid happened like one issue ago...

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyCyclopsRLZ View Post
    There's a giant death cloud sterilizing and killing people in real time. Any "solution" that doesn't involve immediately destroying/isolating/containing aforementioned giant death cloud is pure, unadulterated evil.
    Ditto.
    "The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
    Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."


    "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

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    Quote Originally Posted by People Of The Earth View Post
    Fake-Scott basically told them to their face he would cause the end of their group, before seemingly attacking. They should have hugged him instead?
    At some point, people need to realize there is no winner with clean hands here.
    To survive, one group would have to cause the end of the other. Acting like Emma has any moral high ground is absurd. She doesn't.
    What is this survival thing for the Inhumans? Without terrigen, Inhumans can still breed and live happily in their fancy city minus the colourful powers [or with colourful powers if you count Karnak]. With terrigen, mutants all die. How is this difficult to understand? The Inhumans were fighting to keep their way of life alive. The mutants are fighting to stay alive. The Inhumans can adapt to a new way of life; most mutants can't adapt to death.
    Quote Originally Posted by People Of The Earth View Post
    Madrid happened like one issue ago...
    One incident. Inhumans should have been out in force saving mutants. Mutants should have been flooding the advanced medical facilities in New Attilan. The Inhumans gave lip service to helping while waiting for the terrigen to murder their enemies, simple as that. No one challenges Medusa and the royal family and survives.
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    'Why?' Just to see the disappointment on your corn-fed, gee-whiz face, Superman. And because a great dark voice on the edge of nothing spoke to me and said you all had to die. There is no 'Why?'

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    The end of the cloud doesn't spell the end of the Inhumans. The species will live on. Possibly evolve in a different way, despite the knowledge of other terrigen crystals hidden on earth. The mutant race, in not such a defined manner will cease to exist (they say mutants become sterile, but don't say humans won't continue to pass on the X-Gene.).

    And yes, they could have hugged Cyclops. In a way called capturing and placed under their care until they can find some way to find justice. But they did say that was their form of justice and he did say he wouldn't be taken prisoner (obviously a ploy of Emma so her ruse wouldn't be revealed). The moral high ground is getting rid of the clouds altogether. But that's our morality, not that of the Inhumans. In our society, they committed murder in the 2nd degree. In their society, he committed treason of some sort, and in most, that results in death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nx01a View Post
    What is this survival thing for the Inhumans? Without terrigen, Inhumans can still breed and continue their way of life in their fancy city minus the colourful powers [or with colourful powers if you count Karnak]. With terrigen, mutants all die. How is this difficult to understand? The Inhumans were fighting to keep their way of life alive. The mutants are fighting to stay alive. The Inhumans can adapt to a new way of life; most mutants can't adapt to death.
    Exactly! that makes the Inhumans extremely conservative in their behavior. To keep their traditions and values clean and authentic they risk to kill a minority.

    I am wondering if we maybe have to interpret the conflict closer to current politics in the United States.

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    Quote Originally Posted by People Of The Earth View Post
    Fake-Scott basically told them to their face he would cause the end of their group, before seemingly attacking. They should have hugged him instead?

    At some point, people need to realize there is no winner with clean hands here.
    To survive, one group would have to cause the end of the other. Acting like Emma has any moral high ground is absurd. She doesn't.
    I think you might have missed my point. The same justification you keep giving Black Bolt and Medusa applies to Emma as well. Here she is faced with the knowledge that the terrigen cloud is making mutants sick and killing them, and what do you expect her to do? Sit there twiddling her thumbs and go "Hey, Its cool!". The terrigen cloud itself is threatening to END her species. She acted in self defense, just like what you keep saying Black Bolt and Medusa did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nx01a View Post
    What is this survival thing for the Inhumans? Without terrigen, Inhumans can still breed and live happily in their fancy city minus the colourful powers [or with colourful powers if you count Karnak]. With terrigen, mutants all die. How is this difficult to understand? The Inhumans were fighting to keep their way of life alive. The mutants are fighting to stay alive. The Inhumans can adapt to a new way of life; most mutants can't adapt to death.
    By that logic, M-day wasn't so harmful to mutants.
    Was it? That's the kind of double standard I have no reason to abide by, sorry.


    Quote Originally Posted by nx01a View Post
    One incident. Inhumans should have been out in force saving mutants.
    How ?
    The moment they learnt about the toxicity, Medusa dispatched her closest team there.
    Immediately after the first intervention they made in Madrid, they were attacked by Magneto, and then Faux-Scott happened.
    Again, how would you have done it ?

    Quote Originally Posted by nx01a View Post
    Mutants should have been flooding the advanced medical facilities in New Attilan.The Inhumans gave lip service to helping while waiting for the terrigen to murder their enemies, simple as that. No one challenges Medusa and the royal family and survives.
    Emma caused the two groups to keep appart except in the research department following Madrid. Before her stunt with Faux-Scott, the Inhumans were more than willing to pull their resources for mutants.
    If you want to blame some character for this statu quo where inhumans and mutants are in cold war, blame the one who actually caused it, Emma Frost.
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    Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulsword323 View Post
    I think you might have missed my point. The same justification you keep giving Black Bolt and Medusa applies to Emma as well. Here she is faced with the knowledge that the terrigen cloud is making mutants sick and killing them, and what do you expect her to do? Sit there twiddling her thumbs and go "Hey, Its cool!". The terrigen cloud itself is threatening to END her species. She acted in self defense, just like what you keep saying Black Bolt and Medusa did.
    This is just too logical for cloud lovers to understand

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    Quote Originally Posted by People Of The Earth View Post
    By that logic, M-day wasn't so harmful to mutants.
    Was it? That's the kind of double standard I have no reason to abide by, sorry.
    Mutants were depowered and some even died because of this effect and then hate groups took advantage and persecuted several of them that were now powerless... yeah, totes the same thing as some people from earth not getting powers off some gas the inhumans contaminated earth with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xhx23x View Post
    Mutants were depowered and some even died because of this effect and then hate groups took advantage and persecuted several of them that were now powerless... yeah, totes the same thing as some people from earth not getting powers off some gas the inhumans contaminated earth with.
    I'd point out that mutants had no nation to protect them, no flag to rally behind and no resources with which to fight back. After losing their powers, the same abilities that made them targets for bigots in the first place, they became easy targets for bigots.

    The Inhumans still have their nation, technology and culture without the cloud, and hell, the cloud was unleashed by their ruler, not a crazy possessed mentally ill woman. So it's Black Bolt who should take the final blame for losing the cloud. And losing the cloud doesn't mean depowered Inhumans, it means future Inhumans won't gain powers. They're losing something only in the abstract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by People Of The Earth View Post
    By that logic, M-day wasn't so harmful to mutants.
    Was it? That's the kind of double standard I have no reason to abide by, sorry.
    M-Day was a very different incident.

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