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    Quote Originally Posted by Realdealholy View Post
    She honestly doesn’t need the BP mantle, being that she has her own powers.

    All that would’ve been needed was for her to have emergency/regeant powers until they know for sure what happened to T’Challa. Which should’ve been figured before T’Challa and Eden went to Space.

    Every (we’ll-functioning) country has a clear line of succession. Wakanda should’ve been no different.
    If only they had a government body to handle the ruling while T'challa is away.

    Someone should write a story like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realdealholy View Post
    I would be down for that. Would’ve been a win/win for all parties and possibly yield good stories along the way.
    I would imagine the big bad in the second arc would be the one cutting off the connection to the Djalia and causing her powers to wane.

    At the end of the arc, when she ends up going back to Mother, she would reject the powers of the Griot, stating she is her own woman who doesn't need the blessings of Gods (or whatever Mother is, this is hinting at Bast and Mother) to protect her country. Mother is proud, yada yada. Maybe Shuri even recommends a replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realdealholy View Post
    She honestly doesn’t need the BP mantle, being that she has her own powers.

    All that would’ve been needed was for her to have emergency/regeant powers until they know for sure what happened to T’Challa. Which should’ve been figured before T’Challa and Eden went to Space.

    Every (we’ll-functioning) country has a clear line of succession. Wakanda should’ve been no different.
    In a practical sense, Shuri (or any other government official for that matter) can probably run the place without being Black Panther.

    THey probably just wanted her to take the mantle because Wakanda has always had a BLack Panther around. There are probably ceremonial aspects about their government which still haven't completely been removed.

    But as it's very likely Shuri wont be taking the role, I think the point of this first arc might be that Wakanda can be fine without one. She can run the place as just plan Shuri without being BP. Which has the meta message of Shuri herself not needing to be BP anymore. She's just fine as Shuri.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    In a practical sense, Shuri (or any other government official for that matter) can probably run the place without being Black Panther.

    THey probably just wanted her to take the mantle because Wakanda has always had a BLack Panther around. There are probably ceremonial aspects about their government which still haven't completely been removed.

    But as it's very likely Shuri wont be taking the role, I think the point of this first arc might be that Wakanda can be fine without one. She can run the place as just plan Shuri without being BP. Which has the meta message of Shuri herself not needing to be BP anymore. She's just fine as Shuri.
    To clarify my earlier post: Shuri should’ve been the regeant while T’Challa is in the wormhole, in case something does happen to him out there. That should’ve been resolved before T’Challa went to space. This is standard operating procedure in practically every country when it is known that the leader will not able to physically command. Going to an unknown wormhole qualifies for that.

    Why isn’t Shuri more involved in governing and/or assisting the Wakandan council, especially with a void of leadership that went on for two whole weeks? Why is she ignoring it and mostly staying in her lab for that long. That’s unacceptable by any political metric.

    MCU Shuri doing that might make sense, but no way does 616 Shuri stay in her lab for that long, especially after losing contact with T’Challa. She’s a former head of state and second-in-line. No ruler/BP for two weeks and zero contact since launch? Way too long for her to not take some initiative, especially as a former Queen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Realdealholy View Post
    She honestly doesn’t need the BP mantle, being that she has her own powers.

    All that would’ve been needed was for her to have emergency/regeant powers until they know for sure what happened to T’Challa. Which should’ve been figured before T’Challa and Eden went to Space.

    Every (we’ll-functioning) country has a clear line of succession. Wakanda should’ve been no different.
    I'm just saying it from a story standpoint. If she doesn't need to be BP, don't bring it up in like it's something that can be handed to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realdealholy View Post
    To clarify my earlier post: Shuri should’ve been the regeant while T’Challa, in case something does happen to him out there. That should’ve been resolved before T’Challa went to space.

    Why isn’t Shuri more involved in governing and/or assisting the Wakandan council, especially with a void of leadership that went on for two whole weeks? That’s unacceptable by any political metric.

    MCU Shuri doing that might make sense, but no way does 616 Shuri stay in her lab for that long, especially after losing contact with T’Challa. She’s a former head of state and second-in-line. No ruler/BP for two weeks and zero contact since launch? Way too long for her to not take some initiative, especially as a former Queen.
    It just goes back to the fact they made her too young in this book for anything to make sense.

    They wrote her MCU ish young.... but then turned around and had the woman council ask her to be BP.

    I know some people are satisfied with one bad line to explain the personality shift but I'm not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Realdealholy View Post
    To clarify my earlier post: Shuri should’ve been the regeant while T’Challa is in the wormhole, in case something does happen to him out there. That should’ve been resolved before T’Challa went to space. This is standard operating procedure in practically every country when it is known that the leader will not able to physically command. Going to an unknown wormhole qualifies for that.

    Why isn’t Shuri more involved in governing and/or assisting the Wakandan council, especially with a void of leadership that went on for two whole weeks? Why is she ignoring it and mostly staying in her lab for that long. That’s unacceptable by any political metric. Almost child-like, tbh.

    MCU Shuri doing that might make sense, but no way does 616 Shuri stay in her lab for that long, especially after losing contact with T’Challa. She’s a former head of state and second-in-line. No ruler/BP for two weeks and zero contact since launch? Way too long for her to not take some initiative, especially as a former Queen.
    She shouldn't be regent. Their is no point to the position unless you're Black Panther. That is like the Queen announcing a recent while she is on vacation abroad. The govt. runs with it without her in her ceremonial position.

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    Was there an actual crisis? Invaders at the boarders or riots? Or is the emergency simply two people are missing. One is an Australian and the other is not the leader of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realdealholy View Post
    To clarify my earlier post: Shuri should’ve been the regeant while T’Challa is in the wormhole, in case something does happen to him out there. That should’ve been resolved before T’Challa went to space. This is standard operating procedure in practically every country when it is known that the leader will not able to physically command. Going to an unknown wormhole qualifies for that.

    Why isn’t Shuri more involved in governing and/or assisting the Wakandan council, especially with a void of leadership that went on for two whole weeks? Why is she ignoring it and mostly staying in her lab for that long. That’s unacceptable by any political metric. Almost child-like, tbh.

    MCU Shuri doing that might make sense, but no way does 616 Shuri stay in her lab for that long, especially after losing contact with T’Challa. She’s a former head of state and second-in-line. No ruler/BP for two weeks and zero contact since launch? Way too long for her to not take some initiative, especially as a former Queen.
    Theoretically a regent shouldn't be needed to act as Black Panther if he's not actually running place.

    But I imagine if things are a mess the feeling is having a Black Panther running around (especially one which was popular back in the day) might help bring in some stability and boost moral with the public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    If only they had a government body to handle the ruling while T'challa is away.

    Someone should write a story like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindofShadow View Post
    I would imagine the big bad in the second arc would be the one cutting off the connection to the Djalia and causing her powers to wane.

    At the end of the arc, when she ends up going back to Mother, she would reject the powers of the Griot, stating she is her own woman who doesn't need the blessings of Gods (or whatever Mother is, this is hinting at Bast and Mother) to protect her country. Mother is proud, yada yada. Maybe Shuri even recommends a replacement.

    everyone wins
    I would approach it slightly differently, but I get the gist. A means to bring Comics Shuri closer to her MCU counterpart while bringing a proper closure to Shuri’s Griot arc. Win/win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cville View Post
    She shouldn't be regent. Their is no point to the position unless you're Black Panther. That is like the Queen announcing a recent while she is on vacation abroad. The govt. runs with it without her in her ceremonial position.
    This isn’t a vacation abroad. T’Challa, their king, went inside an unknown wormhole for some unknown reason with unknown consequences. Then they lost contact with him for two whole weeks. The proper and prudent thing to do would’ve been to ensure that the line of succession was clear in case anything happens.

    Regeant in this case simply means that Shuri would be acting in T’Challa’s place until he comes back. She doesn’t need to be a BP for than and this isn’t new. M’Baku used to be T’Challa’s regeant back in the day when T’Challa went overseas to be with the Avengers, before he and T’Challa had their fallout.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cville View Post
    Was there an actual crisis? Invaders at the boarders or riots? Or is the emergency simply two people are missing. One is an Australian and the other is not the leader of the country.
    If the Queen of England took a spaceship to go inside a random wormhole and the UK lost contact with her for even three days, best believe it would be a crisis. The British Monarchy hasn’t been the official ruler of the UK in centuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cville View Post
    Was there an actual crisis? Invaders at the boarders or riots? Or is the emergency simply two people are missing. One is an Australian and the other is not the leader of the country.
    Back in the day, Romonda said that 2 Doras dating could potentially errupt in villages going to war. So it might not take much for things in Wakanda to go sideways.

    But certainly the new governemnt isn't making much of a showing for itself. Not that this is surprising in the least, since governments in comics typically suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realdealholy View Post
    This isn’t a vacation abroad. T’Challa, their king, went inside an unknown wormhole for some unknown reason with unknown consequences. Then they lost contact with him for two whole weeks. The proper and prudent thing to do would’ve been to ensure that the line of succession was clear in case anything happens.
    Also can add they took a teleporter who can teleport ANYWHERE easily with T'challa and they still haven't come back to even say hi lol

    Of course, someone probably should have spoke up and went, "King T'challa... why the hell are you going on this mission anyway? I thought you had people for this" lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Realdealholy View Post
    This isn’t a vacation abroad. T’Challa, their king, went inside an unknown wormhole for some unknown reason with unknown consequences. Then they lost contact with him for two whole weeks. The proper and prudent thing to do would’ve been to ensure that the line of succession was clear in case anything happens.

    Regeant in this case simply means that Shuri would be acting in T’Challa’s place until he comes back. She doesn’t need to be a BP for than and this isn’t new. M’Baku used to be T’Challa’s regeant back in the day when T’Challa went overseas to be with the Avengers, before he and T’Challa had their fallout.



    If the Queen of England took a spaceship to go inside a random wormhole and the UK lost contact with her for even three days, best believe it would be a crisis. The British Monarchy hasn’t been the official ruler of the UK in decades.
    Symbolic King. It's nothing but a title at this point. In large part because of the movie.

    I can't really say it's a crisis of he volunteered to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XPac View Post
    Back in the day, Romonda said that 2 Doras dating could potentially errupt in villages going to war. So it might not take much for things in Wakanda to go sideways.

    But certainly the new governemnt isn't making much of a showing for itself. Not that this is surprising in the least, since governments in comics typically suck.
    Back on this again. Lol. This topic has got to be in your greatest hits list.

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