“Superman can’t … Superman isn’t… Superman shouldn’t …” , it does feel like that some times.
“Superman can’t … Superman isn’t… Superman shouldn’t …” , it does feel like that some times.
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I have no problem looking at Superman as a relic of privilege and systems of oppression.
I see Superman as more of a bugs bunny or Popeye character and that might be out of date. People want more realism and that kills a character like Superman that is all wish fulfillment, well to some extent. At his best I think Superman pulls off myth, science fiction, and unblemished goodness.
More concretely than unblemished goodness (which after all depends on how you define "good"), I feel Superman at his core is more rooted on the desire to smash injustice.
Superman is a warehouse for storytelling. He can be vain, weak, overly matched or petty. More and more I think he works best as a host for different stories like the Spirit or the Sandman. The 70s stories with the Supersons, they seemed to be all about, “What if Superman’s son was a disappointment?”
Jeez, with fans like this ugh
Created from 2 of the greatest men,made with 2 powersets thst are both SUPER,and has 2 cool asf looks and attitudes.
Such as?
Because I don't think that's the case at all.
Yeah, he works better as a cartoon/mythic character that doesn't really adhere to realism. They tried to Marvelize him in the 80s and it worked at the time because they wanted Marvel fans to read him, but it didn't help him long term. Marvel is/was great at the specific things it does and trailblazed, but it shouldn't be freely applied to everything. I think straight up cartoon style or more experimental European style comic storytelling suits him more. Like some 2000AD stories, basically the same flavor Morrison and Sharp brought to Green Lantern.
Wonder Woman got hit with the relatively more grounded approach (at least compared to her old school stuff) post-Crisis with a narrowed focus on Greek myth. While that has created it's own share of hiccups for her, Greek myth is at least still fucking cool. So she has a lot of neat stuff to fall back on compared to Superman and his mythos being toned down.
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Does it need doing?
Yes.
Then it will be done.
my controversial opinion is that dc is not interested in writing good superman stories. for dc it is more profitable to have superman as an icon, in this way superman continues to sell, not as much as if he had good comics, but it makes up for it by being the easy-to-use tool to enlarge the rest of the universe, what better publicity for a character than defeat, be better, be stronger than superman.
That has to do with the fact that she never got the chance to have the same level of media push and support. Even though first WW run was also a trendsetter in some ways and sold well. But they have never put the same effort into her lore as batman and superman. You can't expect hits to happen by miracle. You need to invest in them.
That is not true at all. Superman still gets treated far better and so does his lore. WW and her ''cool'' greek myths lore is condstantly taking lower places on the DC chart. And WW has been toned down far more than SM. You can not look at her performances nowadays and tell me she is not a shadow of her former self. She is super fragile nowadays.
Female superhero and all.She was still following a trend.She didn't end an era and start another.That's what a trendsetter is.So,nowhere near superman.Batman wasn't ever a trendsetter.heck!original in any regards. I would say.
This i agree.Superman failed and has only put out mediocre stuff when it comes to larger demographics and audiences..WW has been far more successful.
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