Controversial Superman Opinions

[WonderLight789]

Female superhero and all.She was still following a trend.She didn't end an era and start another.That's what a trendsetter is.So,nowhere near superman.Batman wasn't ever a trendsetter.heck!original in any regards. I would say.


This i agree.Superman failed and has only put out mediocre stuff when it comes to larger demographics and audiences..WW has been far more successful.

She still was a trendsetter in her own right. Not to mention that some of the radical stuff that were going on in her debut run. Stuff like that was not happening at superman's title. The point is. That even when WW had projects that generated money. She was never given the chance to expand her lore further. Even in recent times with a big hit movie that SM has not seen in over 4 decades. WW's treatment overall has not improved. And there hasn't been any effort in expanding her horizon taking advantage of her current new big success and presence in wider media demographic. Even now in her 80th anniversary SM gets a new cartoon and WW still hasn't one. Harly and even vixen have one. So this idea that SM is treated as bad as WW is just not true. It is far from the truth.

[manwhohaseverything]

She still was a trendsetter in her own right. Not to mention that some of the radical stuff that were going on in her debut run.

The radical aspects are due to these guys being at their "purest"(whatever that means) as concept and from their creators with something to say.but,that was prevalent in all the other characters.Superman Mostly ended diversity in concepts in american comics and took to the superhero shtick.Later on took to shared universe shitck.Regardless,These guys are relics of the past that we still carry around because of profit.we reading characters and stories that were invented in the 30s,40s,50s and 60s..

[marhawkman]

The radical aspects are due to these guys being at their "purest"(whatever that means) as concept and from their creators with something to say.but,that was prevalent in all the other characters.Superman Mostly ended diversity in concepts in american comics and took to the superhero shtick.Later on took to shared universe shitck.Regardless,These guys are relics of the past that we still carry around because of profit.we reading characters and stories that were invented in the 30s,40s,50s and 60s..

Yeah, Batman... wasn't originally a superhero... he was a moderately exciting detective. It's called "Detective" comics for a reason...

[atomicskull]

Originally posted from the DC Forum.

Superman elseworld stories are great. But they aren't really a lot of fun. Even with elseworld stories, writers AND fans want to pigeonhole him. We'll never get stuff like Gotham by Gaslight, Spider-Man Noir, Old Man Logan (and no it's not Kingdom Come). Notice how not even the sky is the limit with the stories you can tell with other superheroes. Give me a punk-inspired Superman universe, tokusatsu Superman, lovecraftian Superman, etc.

Personally I don't think Superman is boring but everyone else goes out of their way to make him boring.

[oneveryfineday]

Originally posted from the DC Forum.

Superman elseworld stories are great. But they aren't really a lot of fun. Even with elseworld stories, writers AND fans want to pigeonhole him. We'll never get stuff like Gotham by Gaslight, Spider-Man Noir, Old Man Logan (and no it's not Kingdom Come). Notice how not even the sky is the limit with the stories you can tell with other superheroes. Give me a punk-inspired Superman universe, tokusatsu Superman, lovecraftian Superman, etc.

Personally I don't think Superman is boring but everyone else goes out of their way to make him boring.

I agree with this. The most fun characters are the ones where you can drop them in any situation and they still work. Batman has a movie set in feudal Japan with mechas for crying out loud. I prefer the craziness and time travel and adventure of Silver Age Superman, and I wish modern Supes was allowed to step outside the box more.

[superduperman]

The George Reeves Superman is surprisingly one of the most realistic versions ever made. If you can get past the dated SFX.

[Vordan]

Originally posted from the DC Forum.

Superman elseworld stories are great. But they aren't really a lot of fun. Even with elseworld stories, writers AND fans want to pigeonhole him. We'll never get stuff like Gotham by Gaslight, Spider-Man Noir, Old Man Logan (and no it's not Kingdom Come). Notice how not even the sky is the limit with the stories you can tell with other superheroes. Give me a punk-inspired Superman universe, tokusatsu Superman, lovecraftian Superman, etc.

Personally I don't think Superman is boring but everyone else goes out of their way to make him boring.

One of the biggest disappointments with regards to a lot of the one off Superman Elseworld stories is that they pretty much always just had Clark end up becoming a variation of the “classic” Superman. Even stuff like him landing in Gotham and becoming Batman, or Jor-El & Lara escaping alongside Clark to Earth and having siblings all have him meet the Kents and become classic Superman, and that is a mistake. I don’t want you to give me “classic Superman” in Elseworlds, I want you to play with his character. I think that’s why Red Son really broke out as his biggest Elseworld story (pre-Injustice anyway), because it doesn’t end with him becoming like he is in the main continuity.

[marhawkman]

Hmmm is this controversial?

This being that Superman is best written as a team leader, but NOT the JL team leader. Supermen of America is a better place for him to be a team leader.

Hmm maybe?

[atomicskull]

One of the biggest disappointments with regards to a lot of the one off Superman Elseworld stories is that they pretty much always just had Clark end up becoming a variation of the “classic” Superman. Even stuff like him landing in Gotham and becoming Batman, or Jor-El & Lara escaping alongside Clark to Earth and having siblings all have him meet the Kents and become classic Superman, and that is a mistake. I don’t want you to give me “classic Superman” in Elseworlds, I want you to play with his character. I think that’s why Red Son really broke out as his biggest Elseworld story (pre-Injustice anyway), because it doesn’t end with him becoming like he is in the main continuity.

I really think writers are just so scared to explore anything when it comes to Superman, even in Elseworlds and I don't know why? Lack of ideas? Fan backlash?

[Vordan]

Hmmm is this controversial?

This being that Superman is best written as a team leader, but NOT the JL team leader. Supermen of America is a better place for him to be a team leader.

Hmm maybe?

Personally I prefer Martian Manhunter as the team leader, so that’s fine with me. But I prefer the team name “Supermen Squad” over “Supermen of America” personally.

I really think writers are just so scared to explore anything when it comes to Superman, even in Elseworlds and I don't know why? Lack of ideas? Fan backlash?

Maybe once upon a time that was the case. With Supes they had to constantly reassert that the mainline guy was the “correct” version, and thus they all ended up being like him no matter their circumstances? A far cry from where Batman ended up with the Vampire Saga. After Injustice that definitely doesn’t apply anymore though.

[NaVi]

superman is easy to write but dc doesn't allow it. superman is 3 characters in 1.
superman, the classic hero.
kal el, science fiction.
clark kent, stories from street level, I'm sure many would pay to see a good show of clark vs lex.

[WonderLight789]

I have no problem looking at Superman as a relic of privilege and systems of oppression.

Quote for truth. It'0s sad because there have been really great stories with the character. But similar to Batman, the problem is when their privileged presence becomes an obstacle for other characters that are used as stepping stones to make those 2 shine. Instead of finding the place for everyone to have their moments without turning other characters into punching bags in the process.

[TheKryptonMan]

superman is easy to write but dc doesn't allow it. superman is 3 characters in 1.
superman, the classic hero.
kal el, science fiction.
clark kent, stories from street level, I'm sure many would pay to see a good show of clark vs lex.

Have to agree, that Superman is 3 characters in 1 .
DC never explores the Kal-El version, with him being the son of 2 scientists, he should be really intelligent. Instead they let Bruce Wayne ( who I do love ) outsmart Kal everytime.

[Vordan]

Have to agree, that Superman is 3 characters in 1 .
DC never explores the Kal-El version, with him being the son of 2 scientists, he should be really intelligent. Instead they let Bruce Wayne ( who I do love ) outsmart Kal everytime.

Morrison has said they’ll be leaning into the Kryptonian side of Superman, the intelligence, in S&tA due to having to compensate for the loss in power.

[TheKryptonMan]

Morrison has said they’ll be leaning into the Kryptonian side of Superman, the intelligence, in S&tA due to having to compensate for the loss in power.

That's good that Morrison said that. But Clark doesn't look that old to be losing his Super abilities. Hopefully Morrison will explain why Clark is losing his powers. There are stories where Superman has lived centuries and gotten stronger. With his Kryptonian physiology under a yellow sun , he should outlive everyone he knows by decades if not centuries.