I'm sure some vocal fans are, but if people wanted a well adjusted Batman more, then Nightwing sales would be higher. And i like Nightwing, and hell I'm open to stories that try to resolve Clark's identity crisis, I'm just saying there's a danger of characters losing their edge.
Last edited by OpaqueGiraffe17; 11-12-2020 at 08:41 PM.
i guess, illusion of change and all, i kinda strayed from my original point, which was taking a development/change that I really am open to, but think both attempts were iffy (but with merit) and take the best from both, it might have been great for the character and his stories.
Last edited by OpaqueGiraffe17; 11-12-2020 at 09:20 PM.
If the likes of Gamora, Star-Lord, Drax, the Fantastic Four, Rocket Raccoon, Adam Strange, Vril Dox and Mr Miracle could have cosmic stories then it is inaccurate to claim post-crisis Superman was too weak for cosmic stories.
Last edited by Agent Z; 11-18-2020 at 11:15 PM.
I think what they want is high concept cosmic stories in the like of war of gods or something a kin to space opera. I don't know, but I quite curious. Is there anyone who read comic said Superman is too weak for cosmic stories when he is that strong? I mean dude fight against Darkseid, Apocalypse, Brainiac, Zod, and Mxylptk. If those are not cosmic stories, I don't know what it is and if those are weaks then Green Lantern must be a street level superheroes if those assholes can demolish them.
Let me explain. Post Crisis Clark was too weak to have casual cosmic adventures. He couldn’t hold his breath long enough or fly fast enough to be flying off to distant planets every week or so. That doesn’t mean he couldn’t have cosmic adventures, one of my favorite Post Crisis Superman stories is Exile where he goes off into space and ends up fighting on Warworld, I love that story! But something like that wasn’t something Superman could do often, and I think that limitation didn’t really add much. But others might say that limiting Supes cosmic adventures helps make those adventures feel special and have more weight which is a fair argument. I personally love stuff like Bendis’ current arc where he’s flying off with Synmar into unknown regions of space. I think that’s exciting and opens up more stories.
Wait isn't this already broken through his training with Mongul the Second during Our World at War? Where after that issue he started to realize that he just need a yellow sun to live or something like that. Beside I believe there are many issues in Post Crisis after that where he flew from planet to planet. I think I remember that it's clear that he can hold his breath long enough (or he just doesn't need it) to fly from Earth to Oa through the Red Sun of Krypton (Rao) in Infinite Crisis.
Last edited by Laufeyson; 11-19-2020 at 10:09 AM.
Yep OWAW is Loeb, and that’s where the Post Crisis Superman starts morphing into the Pre-Flashpoint Superman. Just like how the Pre-Crisis Superman encompasses the Golden, Silver, and Bronze Ages, but each incarnation has some major differences from one another, the Byrne Post Crisis Superman eventually gave way to the Pre-Flashpoint Johns/Busiek Superman. The Pre-FP was explicitly about merging the Pre and Post Crisis incarnations together, that’s why I consider him separate from Byrne/Jurgens’ take. His power levels got boosted and he became more like his old incarnation. The process started under Loeb & Kelly but reached its peak under Busiek & Johns imo.