Is Homecoming ripping off Miles Morales?

[jbmasta]

They are playing down Parker's ability quite a bit, only thing he's done to show his intellect is dumpster dive and make web shooters. His suit being customised again by Stark in the movie once again takes away from Parker's intellect. There's no reason he couldn't have done that upgrade himself.

Which again, if they're playing down his intellect he's a lot more like Miles who is rather average or on the upper end of intelligence, not a genius like Parker is MEANT to be.

Peter's situation doesn't really let him afford all the tech or equipment needed. He's got a good grasp on the theory and likely had input on the suit Tony made, but it took Tony's resources to actually get it made. With the limited budget he has when Tony approaches is it really surprising his costume is a glorified onesie?

[Carabas]

They are playing down Parker's ability quite a bit, only thing he's done to show his intellect is dumpster dive and make web shooters. His suit being customised again by Stark in the movie once again takes away from Parker's intellect. There's no reason he couldn't have done that upgrade himself.

He's the first movie Spider-Man who created web fluid and the delivery sistem for it all on his own.

As for costumes... Even comicbook Spidey just got his suit from his wrestling agent when he was just starting out.

[t hedge coke]

As for costumes... Even comicbook Spidey just got his suit from his wrestling agent when he was just starting out.

Ultimate Peter even died without ever learning to sew decently.

[Iron Fist]

EVERYTHING Miles has is Peter's to use. Miles is the derivative character of Peter's. The same way anything Spider-girl, Spider-man 2099, or Venom';s is Peters to use. His race has nothing to do with it and it doesn't matter how offended you want to be.

So you agree, they're ripping off Miles.

[Carabas]

So you agree, they're ripping off Miles.

That is not what "ripping off" means.

You can't rip off what you already own (okay, have full rights to use).

[jbmasta]

Ned being closer to Ganke than his comicbook counter-part is based on Mile Morales, but most of the footage so far indicates there's plenty taken from Peter material.

[Iron Fist]

That is not what "ripping off" means.

You can't rip off what you already own (okay, have full rights to use).

Rip off

noun

an inferior imitation of something.

How is Peter's life not an imitation of Miles's life when Peter never had a Ganke type sidekick friend before and has never gone to charter school in his decades of continuity?

Alan2099 was basically saying it's a rip off, but he considers nothing wrong with it because Miles is seen as a derivative, which is a whole other topic.

[LASERlips]

I think it's obvious they lifted Ganke from Miles' supporting cast and gave him to Peter instead. I'm not too happy about it in the sense that it takes away what tiny little chance there may have been to ever have a Miles movie. But it looks like it will be good fun, so I'm not going to boycott or anything.

This kind of thing has happened before, btw. Adaptations don't always adapt exactly. Not a good movie, but Nic Cage played Johnny Blaze in Ghost Rider, yet had the looks and powers of Dan Ketch. It happens.

[Alan2099]

How is Peter's life not an imitation of Miles's life when Peter never had a Ganke type sidekick friend before and has never gone to charter school in his decades of continuity?

How is Miles not an imitation of Peter, when he calls himself Spider-man, wears a Spider-man like costume, and has Spider-man powers?

If you want to say this movie is ripping off Miles, then you first have to concede that Miles very existence is a rip-off of Peter's.

But that's okay, because it's Peter's franchise. If Peter's friends in the movie where Courtney, JJ, Nancy, and Moose, he got a job working for a corporation called Alchemex, while being instigated by a Detective Makoto for outting the Sin-Eater as the wrong guy he still wouldn't be ripping off anybody but himself. This is all Peter's franchise and it's all his to use. Whether its' a good idea or not is the only thing debatable.

If you're upset that Spider-man took things from Miles, you should be equally upset that Miles exists.

[Iron Fist]

How is Miles not an imitation of Peter, when he calls himself Spider-man, wears a Spider-man like costume, and has Spider-man powers?

If you want to say this movie is ripping off Miles, then you first have to concede that Miles very existence is a rip-off of Peter's.

But that's okay, because it's Peter's franchise. If Peter's friends in the movie where Courtney, JJ, Nancy, and Moose, he got a job working for a corporation called Alchemex, while being instigated by a Detective Makoto for outting the Sin-Eater as the wrong guy he still wouldn't be ripping off anybody but himself. This is all Peter's franchise and it's all his to use. Whether its' a good idea or not is the only thing debatable.

If you're upset that Spider-man took things from Miles, you should be equally upset that Miles exists.

If you think Miles has spider-mans powers, i'd encourage you to read a miles book.

Why would I be upset Miles exists? Peter was dead and Miles came along. And he has different power-set, costume, origin, background, supporting characters. It's like saying Spider-woman is a Peter Parker derivative despite also been made into her own entity just like miles.

The only derivative character from Peter is Gwen and that's because she replaced Parker in his own narrative as an elseworlds story, which was kind of the point.

[Mister Mets]

How is Miles not an imitation of Peter, when he calls himself Spider-man, wears a Spider-man like costume, and has Spider-man powers?

If you want to say this movie is ripping off Miles, then you first have to concede that Miles very existence is a rip-off of Peter's.

But that's okay, because it's Peter's franchise. If Peter's friends in the movie where Courtney, JJ, Nancy, and Moose, he got a job working for a corporation called Alchemex, while being instigated by a Detective Makoto for outting the Sin-Eater as the wrong guy he still wouldn't be ripping off anybody but himself. This is all Peter's franchise and it's all his to use. Whether its' a good idea or not is the only thing debatable.

If you're upset that Spider-man took things from Miles, you should be equally upset that Miles exists.

There is the identity politics argument that due to problems with representation in the past, it is okay to racebend in one direction but not another. So it would be okay to have a black actor play a white character, or to have a black character who uses elements of a white character, but not the other way around. As a result it would be fine to have a Miles Morales who has a lot of the same elements as an existing white character (Peter Parker, the teenager with spider-based powers) but the argument would be that it's not okay in an adaptation for a white character to have any elements that were introduced with a minority character.

[MyLittleXero]

If you think Miles has spider-mans powers, i'd encourage you to read a miles book.

Why would I be upset Miles exists? Peter was dead and Miles came along. And he has different power-set, costume, origin, background, supporting characters. It's like saying Spider-woman is a Peter Parker derivative despite also been made into her own entity just like miles.

The only derivative character from Peter is Gwen and that's because she replaced Parker in his own narrative as an elseworlds story, which was kind of the point.

Spider Woman was always her own entity she has nearly nothing to do with Peter.
And I've read Mile's book he has all the same powers except a barely used camouflage and a bullshit vemon sting that somehow beats everyone.

[Iron Fist]

There is the identity politics argument that due to problems with representation in the past, it is okay to racebend in one direction but not another. So it would be okay to have a black actor play a white character, or to have a black character who uses elements of a white character, but not the other way around. As a result it would be fine to have a Miles Morales who has a lot of the same elements as an existing white character (Peter Parker, the teenager with spider-based powers) but the argument would be that it's not okay in an adaptation for a white character to have any elements that were introduced with a minority character.

Exactly. There is no lack of white heroes. A fact the MCU is perpetuating.

Spider Woman was always her own entity she has nearly nothing to do with Peter.
And I've read Mile's book he has all the same powers except a barely used camouflage and a bullshit vemon sting that somehow beats everyone.

So Spider-woman who has several power the same as Miles and Peter is her own entity, but Miles who essentially has the same powers as Spider-woman ISN'T his own entity?

That's seem tenuous.

[keysersoze5]

I think it's obvious they lifted Ganke from Miles' supporting cast and gave him to Peter instead. I'm not too happy about it in the sense that it takes away what tiny little chance there may have been to ever have a Miles movie.

What I don't get is if they wanted to give Peter a non-white best friend, why didn't they just use characters from the comics that he actually has been good friends with like Hobie Brown or Philip Chang.

[MJM Mystery Writer]

I think that you underestimate the possibility that MM, because he hasn't had a mainstream medium, is less popular. I'd bet that if they did a MM movie, it'd be the highest selling Spiderman film to date, given America's diversity. Thus opening up the margin for competitive marketing i.e. toys, clothing etc. I think a lot of Parker fans are scarred to give MM that leeway.

You truly over-estimate what people in America want. If there was such a HUGE demand for diversity and throwing away white male characters just to replace them with legacy characters.......then people like Donald Trump wouldn't have been elected. But the truth is....outside the huge cities on San Fran, NYC, Detroit, and cities of that size.....people like classics. They like traditions. If you want diversity.........then create a black guy who isn't named Spider-man and give him different powers. Now doesn't that seem like the easiest thing to do? Or would you rather complain that your "legacy" character isn't getting the screen time that the ORIGINAL guy has....simply because Peter is a WHITE male.

Sure a "Miles" movie might do well in all the cities I mentioned, but in the mid-west, where Trump won nearly every state, a Miles movie wouldn't do any better than "Howard the Duck" did in the 1980s. Most people in that region don't like diversity shoved down their throats just for the sake of diversity. And let's not gloss over the fact that Marvel/DC can ONLY do this with white characters. There's NO way that they'd kill Power Man, the Prowler, or War Machine and replace them with a blonde white guy. It's just NOT going to happen. Plain and simple. SO stop bitching whenever Marvel uses their original character to tell a story....either in movies or comics!

You might see this, roll your eyes, and scream 'racist' but I don't care. Truth is, unless these 'creators' develop some new heroes that aren't just rip-offs of former white guys, then we will always have this argument. Move on and find another topic to complain about. This crap is getting sooooooo old!!!!!