X-Men Cinematic Universe

[SpiderClops]

This is the thread for the discussions of Fox's X-Men Cinematic Universe(not an official name). To discuss anything and everything related to their movies and TV shows. Deadpool, Logan, New Mutants, Legion TV show, etc. Fox's relationship with Marvel, do they need to reboot, what do you want from these movies. Anything related to these things, people can discuss it here.

Individual threads:

New Mutants Movie

Deadpool 2 Movie Speculation and Discussion

X-Men Gifted TV Show Discussion and Speculation

X-Men: Dark Phoenix Movie Speculation and News

Legion TV Series

Logan(formerly Wolv3rine casting begins)

X-Force Movie news and speculation

Gambit movie discussion

X-23 Movie Rumors, News and Speculation

[SpiderClops]

To start a topic. Here's something:

Hi mates, a little movement started on twitter weeks ago, but wanted to see a few contributions from you guys too.

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as the pic says, post your List of 5 things next X-Men (main) movies should improve. General aspects, not about storylines or if Fox should reboot or not, just issues/departments they should do better.

Would be appreciated to post your list with the typical
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And not long texts, but between 1 or 2 lines, so once the ultimate fan list will be made, it would be easier to copy and past your suggestions, without the need to change the words to make it shorter and stuff, lol.

Next week was the supposed deadline, but giving it more days wont hurt. The more suggestions the better. And once the 10 best ones are choosen, it will be sent to Fox from different mediums, even if they probably wont care, lol. But at least we can try

[MarvelMaster616]

I'm glad someone is starting a thread like this. I've seen too many threads about certain X-men movies get derailed and I say that as someone who is occasionally guilty of that. So I thank the OP for doing something like this.

But if there's going to be a discussion at all about the XCU, as we call it, I think there's one pressing issue that's going to be more pressing in the coming years. What will Fox decide to do with the current continuity of the XCU? After the disappointing box office of X-men: Apocalypse, some rumors started circulating that Fox will just reboot the whole thing entirely come 2018. And I can see why they may want to do that. Bryan Singer left and he's not coming back, by all accounts. The last time the X-men movies tried to continue what he built, we ended up with X3 and Wolverine Origins. I doubt that's what Fox wants for this franchise moving forward.

Also, it's worth pointing out that Fox has a very small number of solid franchises. The X-men is probably the biggest. They tried expanding Independence Day. That failed. They've tried multiple times to make the Fantastic Four a viable franchise. That failed even worse. Other than X-men, they don't really have much to build on. So we can expect Fox to throw every resource into making X-men as big a franchise as the MCU and DCEU. At the moment though, I don't think they have the resources. The XCU simply does not have a vision the same way the MCU and DCEU have right now. It's basically a move-by-movie enterprise with one constantly undermining the continuity of the other. At some point, that's going to make the franchise too convoluted to follow. It's why Deadpool poking fun at it is so relevant.

Right now, I think Fox does have a foundation if they want to build on it. The success of the Deadpool movie, which basically exceeded every previous X-men movie nearly every MCU movie, created a unique world in which to build. I'm hoping Deadpool 2 and New Mutants can build on that. I think those movies could be per-cursors of sorts, if done right. Then, come 2018 or 2019, the same year as Infinity Wars and Justice Leauge, X-men can effectively reboot. So as the competition is peaking, they can start ascending. At this point, it's impossible to catch up with them. So they might as well put themselves in a position to ascend. They need to think about the long term and not just the short term. I think if Fox keeps trying to continue X-men after X-men: Apocalypse, it's going to dig itself into a deeper hole and that's not going to help the franchise.

[vasir12]

If we're talking improvements, I got some:

1. CONTINUITY. Calling this franchise a cinematic universe is kind of a stretch cause everything is just so far flung from each other. What are we building towards exactly? The MCU has the Infinity War and the DCEU as Darkseid. For the X-men, though, there is no connection.

2. Focus on the team. I know that all these guys won't be getting solos, but if that's the case, then they should spend some effort into developing each of them in the movies. Motives, backstory, GOALS. I'm still trying to figure out how Kurt got into that fight club.

3. While I'm on characters... I know this is an adaption, but it would be nice if they'd actually have the characters act like they should. Not whoever this Warren was among others. I also wanna see Rogue fly around and beat people up. They could have so much fun with her power set and they just don't.

4. I want some great fight scenes. Not good, but great. DCEU and MCU got that on lock. You can't pass with just "okay" fight scenes now. It makes it look worse than what is actually is. The X-men got extreme variability in powers. It'd be interesting if they did more than stand and fire.

5. It would also be cool if they would just go full sci-fi. X-men are known for some crazy adventures but they never do it. Talking Space and time.

[Kurt LeBeau]

Cool creating the topic, Spiderclops.

And great suggestions, vasir12.

[SpiderClops]

If we're talking improvements, I got some:

1. CONTINUITY. Calling this franchise a cinematic universe is kind of a stretch cause everything is just so far flung from each other. What are we building towards exactly? The MCU has the Infinity War and the DCEU as Darkseid. For the X-men, though, there is no connection.

2. Focus on the team. I know that all these guys won't be getting solos, but if that's the case, then they should spend some effort into developing each of them in the movies. Motives, backstory, GOALS. I'm still trying to figure out how Kurt got into that fight club.

3. While I'm on characters... I know this is an adaption, but it would be nice if they'd actually have the characters act like they should. Not whoever this Warren was among others. I also wanna see Rogue fly around and beat people up. They could have so much fun with her power set and they just don't.

4. I want some great fight scenes. Not good, but great. DCEU and MCU got that on lock. You can't pass with just "okay" fight scenes now. It makes it look worse than what is actually is. The X-men got extreme variability in powers. It'd be interesting if they did more than stand and fire.

5. It would also be cool if they would just go full sci-fi. X-men are known for some crazy adventures but they never do it. Talking Space and time.

I pretty much agree with all of these. Maybe not the last part.

On continuity thing, I just want to say that having a messed up continuity is one thing. Just not caring about it is whole other. You just can't keep ignoring what happens in previous movies and say "just roll with it." And no, "because 10 years have passed" is not a valid explanation.

I know these aren't direct adaptations. I don't want them to be. I want them to tell original story. But I do want to see the characters adapted properly. Change things, sure, change personalities if needed, I encourage it. But that doesn't mean just forget what the core characters are supposed to be.

And last but not the least. Comic books are supposed to be fun.

[SomeCBFanboy]

The hashtag in that attachment is wrong. drop the "S" at the end of Franchises, it should be #WhatXmenFranchiseMustImprove

[Divine Spark]

CONTINUITY. Calling this franchise a cinematic universe is kind of a stretch cause everything is just so far flung from each other. What are we building towards exactly? The MCU has the Infinity War and the DCEU as Darkseid. For the X-men, though, there is no connection.

They have said that they were building to the Phoenix saga. Ever notice how Jean and Apocalypse were having the same vision of the world ending? Its a rip from Ultimate X-Men, where Jean has visions of an Egyptian Phoenix God that ends the world.





Which is something Wolverine and The X-Men adapted.



Fox is just more subtle about what they were building to compared to the MCU and DCEU.

I'm still trying to figure out how Kurt got into that fight club.

What fight club? I think you mean gladiator match to the death. I doubt anyone cares about that, the same way nobody cared about how Weapon X got Kurt in X2.

DCEU and MCU got that on lock.

The fight scenes in Suicide Squad were terrible. That movie had the worse action scenes this year.

It would also be cool if they would just go full sci-fi. X-men are known for some crazy adventures but they never do it. Talking Space and time.

They already stated that they plan on the doing that. Apocalypse planted the seeds with him having alien technology. New Mutants is stated to have aliens in it.

[vasir12]

They have said that they were building to the Phoenix saga. Ever notice how Jean and Apocalypse were having the same vision of the world ending? Its a rip from Ultimate X-Men, where Jean has visions of an Egyptian Phoenix God that ends the world.

Yeah, I got that but what does this have to do with Logan, Deadpool, and New Mutants? Hard to connect things when they're decades apart.

Fox is just more subtle about what they were building to compared to the MCU and DCEU.

Literally, the only reference for the DPS was in Apocalypse. In no other movie was this ever evident.

What fight club? I think you mean gladiator match to the death. I doubt anyone cares about that, the same way nobody cared about how Weapon X got Kurt in X2.

So we just gonna accept characters having no backstory?

The fight scenes in Suicide Squad were terrible. That movie had the worse action scenes this year.

Not sure why you're comparing the supposed flagship of a franchise to a lower budget spin-off. Compare X-men fights to Avengers/MoS/BvS

They already stated that they plan on the doing that. Apocalypse planted the seeds with him having alien technology. New Mutants is stated to have aliens in it.

That's cool. It's been about 9 movies before this point, but that's cool.