X-Men Cinematic Universe

[Divine Spark]

What's fact is that, of the three, the XMCU is the least popular so there must be a reason why.

Actually the DCEU is the least popular. It has the worst legs(worse than even Batman & Robin) and a large portion of the film's money came from advanced tickets, at least in BvS's case.

[Divine Spark]

DoFP could've easily been set between X2 and TLS, but it wasn't. Giving Singer more excuses. First Class wasn't meant to followed by anything.

They wanted to erase the events of Origins as well. That's why it was set in the 70s.

[vasir12]

Actually the DCEU is the least popular. It has the worst legs(worse than even Batman & Robin) and a large portion of the film's money came from advanced tickets, at least in BvS's case.

High advanced ticket sales= people care. DC movies have better legs and always trend higher from news/trailers. These are facts. But this thread of talk is already off-topic

[ChildOfTheAtom]

I just wish FoX didn't have control of the X-Men. The general public doesn't care about it.


I don't think FoX even cares about making a lot of $ with it either. Every year since 2008 Marvel Studios has outgrossed them. Every single year 8 years running except 2009 because marvel didn't release a movie that year.

[cc008]

I just wish FoX didn't have control of the X-Men. The general public doesn't care about it.

Does the general public even understand the X-Men are produced by a different company than the MCU? I still have to have that conversation with someone every time a movie comes out.

[SpiderClops]

They wanted to erase the events of Origins as well. That's why it was set in the 70s.

The Wolverine and First Class already ignores events of Origins. Among other things. Changing the future still doesn't have any effect on Logan and Victor being brothers, Gambit being a mid-thirties man in the 70s, two versions of Wade Wilson running around, Colossus being Russian and completely different in design, Angel and Jubilee being teenagers in 80s(because events of DoFP has no effect on their birth, they'd have to be born couple of years before events of DoFP).

So yeah, that's kind of a bullshit excuse.

[Doctor Know]

Fox gives no f*cks about continuity. The narrative of what they're doing in the present, trumps what they did in the past.


Things like Logan getting the adamantium 15 years prior to X1. Even though XM Origins had him get the metal in 1979 (during the 3 Mile Island event). X1 being set in 2005.

Charles stating in X1 that he was 17 when he met Erik, but in First Class they met in 1962. 18 years after (a presumably 10 year old) Erik and his family were sent to Auschwitz in 1944.

The origin of Magneto's helmet. Charles is surprised to see he couldn't read Magneto's mind in X1, but if FC had happened, then Charles would've known about it prior.

Xavier walking in 1984 (X3) but being crippled in 1962 (FC) Magneto.

Mystique growing up with Charles in FC but in X1-X3 she never speaks nor acknowledges any history with him. Because there was none.

The two Deadpools (played by the same actor decades apart), the two Sabertooths, the two Toads, the two Bolivar Trasks (X3 and DOFP), the two Emma Frosts, the soon to be two Gambits etc.

There are more examples, I'm sure

[SpiderClops]

Fox gives no f*cks about continuity. The narrative of what they're doing in the present, trumps what they did in the past.


Things like Logan getting the adamantium 15 years prior to X1. Even though XM Origins had him get the metal in 1979 (during the 3 Mile Island event). X1 being set in 2005.

Charles stating in X1 that he was 17 when he met Erik, but in First Class they met in 1962. 18 years after (a presumably 10 year old) Erik and his family were sent to Auschwitz in 1944.

The origin of Magneto's helmet. Charles is surprised to see he couldn't read Magneto's mind in X1, but if FC had happened, then Charles would've known about it prior.

Xavier walking in 1984 (X3) but being crippled in 1962 (FC) Magneto.

Mystique growing up with Charles in FC but in X1-X3 she never speaks nor acknowledges any history with him. Because there was none.

The two Deadpools (played by the same actor decades apart), the two Sabertooths, the two Toads, the two Bolivar Trasks (X3 and DOFP), the two Emma Frosts, the soon to be two Gambits etc.

There are more examples, I'm sure

The most infuriating example for me is how did Logan got his adamantium claws back after The Wolverine. That movie was released just one year before DoFP. No explanation is given. Not a joke, not a reference, not a snide remark. Nothing.

[ChildOfTheAtom]

Does the general public even understand the X-Men are produced by a different company than the MCU? I still have to have that conversation with someone every time a movie comes out.

Obviously they do because they don't go out and see the movies

[Soulsword323]

Sif, Janet van Dyne, the Warriors Three, Red Skull, Hawkeye to a certain degree and a bunch of others say hi to "Marvel will never butcher their characters".

And if one side is going on about "Give the rights back" the only logical (and non-rude) way for the other side to react is by laying down facts why that may not really prove to be beneficial either.

I also don't think live action X-Men will work on a Netflix budget. And even if they did somehow, that would officially seal them as second tier to the cinematic characters.

Agree with bold 100%. The MCU isn't as perfect as some people make it out to be.

[Ambaryerno]

The most infuriating example for me is how did Logan got his adamantium claws back after The Wolverine. That movie was released just one year before DoFP. No explanation is given. Not a joke, not a reference, not a snide remark. Nothing.

Well maybe Fox was expecting the fact that Wolverine was on a team with Magneto would be SELF-EXPLANATORY.

And my head-canon is that First Class was ALWAYS a different timeline, the same way that Earth-616 and Earth-811 in the original timeline were always separate.

[Confuzzled]

Exactly. The whole Dis-Marvel is for kids and DisMarvel will never make R-rated movies comments are so annoying.

But Disney will never allow R-rated movies. It goes against their entire brand image. That's an objective fact. Nobody is asking you to give credit to Fox for all of Deadpool's success, but it's a simple truth that the movie would not have been allowed to be made in the way it was if the brand was in MCU.

[SpiderClops]

Well maybe Fox was expecting the fact that Wolverine was on a team with Magneto would be SELF-EXPLANATORY.

And my head-canon is that First Class was ALWAYS a different timeline, the same way that Earth-616 and Earth-811 in the original timeline were always separate.

Or maybe they are lazy and couldn't come up with proper explanation? Sorry head canons aren't enough for me. They are for making a story more interesting, not to connect plot thread left hanging by story tellers.

[mace11]

What are some R-rated movies that have been released by Disney?

By Mickey Lin

It really depends on what you mean by “Disney”.
The Walt Disney Company is a multinational media conglomerate and it has many subsidiaries. Like many multinational conglomerates, Disney uses subsidiaries to cater to different demographics.

The “Disney” label is associated with kids-friendly fare (ie Mickey Mouse, Winnie the Pooh, etc) and so I can’t think of any R-rated films that have been released under the Disney label. It would go against their brand and target demographic.

I have listed some of the subsidiaries they own or owned and the R-rated films that were released by them.

Disney, the multinational conglomerate, owned Miramax Films from 1993—2010.

If you think that Disney had no influence over Miramax’s releases, James B. Stewart’s book Disney War documents how Disney then-CEO Michael Eisner demanded that Miramax to drop their investment in Michael Moore’s controversial documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 and reminded Miramax that Disney had the right to veto any Miramax film if it appeared that its distribution would go against Disney’s interests. (For more details, check out Fahrenheit 9/11)

From this perspective, anything released by Miramax and Dimension Films during this time period could technically be considered as released by Disney, the multinational conglomerate. Miramax owned the genre label Dimension Films (specializing in genre films).

Some of the R-rated films that Miramax released during this time period:
# Quentin Tarantino’s Pulp Fiction (1994)

# Quentin Tarantino’s Kill Bill Volume 1 and Volume 2 (2003-2004)

# Peter Jackson’s Heavenly Creatures (1994)

# Kevin Smith’s Clerks (1994)

# Gary Felder’s Things to Do in Denver When You're Dead (1995)

# Woody Allen’s Mighty Aphrodite (1995)

# Danny Boyle’s Trainspotting (1995)

# Anthony Minghella’s The English Patient (1996)

# Gus Van Sant’s Good Will Hunting (1997)

# Lasse Hallström’s The Cider House Rules (1999)

# Steven Soderbergh’s Full Frontal (2002)

Some of the R-rated films that Dimension Films released during this time period:
# Robert Rodriguez’s From Dusk Till Dawn (1996).

# Robert Rodriguez’s Sin City (2005)

# Robert Rodriguez’s The Faculty (1998)

# Halloween H20: 20 Years Later (1998)

# Wes Craven’s Scream (1996)

# Wes Craven’s Scream 2 (1997)

# Wes Craven’s Scream 3 (2000).

# Bad Santa (2003)

# The Amityville Horror (2005)

Please note that I didn’t list Scream 4 since it was released in 2011, after Disney sold Miramax and Dimension Films to Filmyard Holdings in 2010.

Disney owns Touchstone Pictures since 1984 and Disney uses the Touchstone Pictures label to release films that are mature and darker than the “Disney” label would allow.

Some of the R-rated films that Touchstone Pictures have released are:
# Ruthless People (1986)

# D.O.A. (1988)

# Garry Marshall’s Pretty Woman (1990)

# When a Man Loves a Woman (1994)

# Con Air (1997)

# Paul Verhoeven’s Starship Troopers (1997)

# Snake Eyes (1998)

# Tony Scott’s Enemy of the State (1998)

The list of films is by no way comprehensive but hopefully shows that the Disney conglomerate, through it’s various subsidiaries and labels, have released plenty of R-rated films from Quentin Tarantino’s Kill Bill to Tony Scott’s Enemy of the State. It’s also interesting to think that the Disney company have in some ways contributed to the release of films with titles like Enemy of the State and Sin City. It sort of put things into perspective about complicated nature of the film industry.

By Carrie Rickey

Among the R-rated movies that Disney's Touchstone subsidiary has released are Pretty Woman, Ruthless People and Outrageous Fortune.

[SpiderClops]

But Disney will never allow R-rated movies. It goes against their entire brand image. That's an objective fact. Nobody is asking you to give credit to Fox for all of Deadpool's success, but it's a simple truth that the movie would not have been allowed to be made in the way it was if the brand was in MCU.

No, but it probably would have given an excellent Netflix series.

The heck is up with the sudden obsession with R-rating? Do people want to see an R-rated Spider-Man or something?