How to FIX the DCEU?

[Doctor Know]

They need better writers and less studio meddling. Both BvS and SS were interfered with because execs wanted to have certain things in the movie that were dictated to the directors.

[colonyofcells]

Since the green lantern movie flop, dc needs to recover from the green lantern movie phobia and do a green lantern reboot movie earlier rather than later near the end of the world.

[Danileriver23]

As someone who hated BvS and thought suicide squad just a really long music video, I think there really only 2 issues with it at this time. That's Zack Snyder and Warner Bros.

While I admit that Zack's interpretation of Superman is MoS was shocking and controversial for many, as a film its fine. just fine, not anything special. Sure, there may have been some missteps with supermans characterization, but it was nothing egregious.

However, WB decided to make him the architect of the DC universe and that's where EVERYTHING went down hill. That wanted to get into a pissing context with marvel and are having him rush all these elements together so they can justice league ASAP which harmed BvS (that and the fact that he clearly doesn't like Superman...). But, at the same time, they are trying super heard to differentiate themselves from marvel by trying to be as dissimilar with the tone as possible, which is why we got such a dour film.

With Suicide Squad, it's clear that we had a much more serious film from the get-go, but the negative backlash caused WB to scramble and try to make it into a Guardians of the Galaxy film. Look at any of the marketing and promotional material from when it was first being revealed (ie; comiccon footage) to the material right before it came out. WB has no faith in its films or their vision or, possibly worse, they don't even have one and are just kind of throwing stuff at a wall to see what sticks.

[Maxi]

At this point I think it's delusional to think they'll ever figure out how to make a good DC film. They already had all the chances in the world. They never seemed to have a clue on how to handle these characters, they don't know what audiences are looking for in blockbusters and they don't seem to learn of their mistakes. The Nolan Batman movies were clearly a lucky exception.

[Doctor Know]

At this point I think it's delusional to think they'll ever figure out how to make a good DC film. They already had all the chances in the world. They never seemed to have a clue on how to handle these characters, they don't know what audiences are looking for in blockbusters and they don't seem to learn of their mistakes. The Nolan Batman movies were clearly a lucky exception.

The box office take and the home video sales would seem to suggest otherwise. WB is only second to Disney in the super hero biz. Fox is in 3rd place and Sony brings up the rear.

[Ragged Maw]

Fire Zack Snyder.

[Zero Hunter]

Just keep it simple. That has been the number one problem the WB has had when it comes to DCU movies is they make things harder than they have to be. BvS was 3 movies crammed into one when it didn't have to be. Same with Green Lantern trying to set up so many things all at once that whatever good ideas you had get buried under mountains of cluttered storytelling. Stop trying to completaly revamp villains since that just seem to make a mess and just use the more classic versions with some small twists. They have failed with Doomsday, Parallax, and Luthor because they just try to change the core of the character too much. Parallax should never have been a cloud monster. Luthor should have never been a neurotic spaz. Doomsday should have not been used period.

If the WB would stop trying to be clever and just keep it simple they would have so much better luck. I really wonder how someone could have sat there and watched BvS and not said "Wow that version of Luthor is just not working at all" or sat and watched Suicide Squad and said "you know the main plot of this movie is kind of a mess". The WB needs someone people who are not afraid to read a script and say "this is not ready to be shot"

[FishyZombie]

making a movie that's actually good for once is as good a place to start as any.

[Lightning Rider]

(that and the fact that he clearly doesn't like Superman...)

Nobody should say that. He was invoking Kingdom Come Superman hardcore in that movie and made Superman the most heroic figure of the movie.

[The Darknight Detective]

You call that humor I call it cringe worthy and character ruining. Ever scene with Eisenberg took me right out of the movie because it just was so off compared to what was going on around them. Eisenbergs Lex would have felt more at home in a movie like Batman and Robin than it did here.

If you had said Hackman instead, then I would have completely agreed with you.

[Ragged Maw]

Jesse Eisenberg could've made a good Toyman.

[Korath]

They need to let Snyder and Goyer do their jobs. Those guys love comics, and the movies they made together posses something that no other superhero film does : it set to achieve something meaningful. Seriously : the problem isn't that MoS and BvS weren't light or fun enough, it's that people are used to mediocrity in this genre and react poorly to any attempt to actually tell valuable stories, with a deep meaning.

[Thomas Crown]

They need to let Snyder and Goyer do their jobs. Those guys love comics, and the movies they made together posses something that no other superhero film does : it set to achieve something meaningful. Seriously : the problem isn't that MoS and BvS weren't light or fun enough, it's that people are used to mediocrity in this genre and react poorly to any attempt to actually tell valuable stories, with a deep meaning.

[Dispenser Of Truth]

Wouldn't take much. It's not as if audiences aren't 100% onboard for serious topical auteur superhero movies - the last two Batman movies that didn't even have Superman in them both cracked a billion. They just need to be...like...good. Rather than fatally flawed at best, punishingly awful more often. Is the main adjustment required. Batman seems like it could be on the right track so long as Johns doesn't crap in the punch bowl too hard with his take on the character. Justice League looks fun. I'm interested in Aquaman and Superman, and hope Flash'll be fun in spite of itself. There's more than enough time and space to turn things around, but step one is not plugging their ears and pretending anything about this current situation is even kind of alright any more than it's giving up and doing Marvel's thing (I mean, I'd be down for that, but that'd require the kind of full reboot that's not really viable at this point).

[Ragged Maw]

They need to let Snyder and Goyer do their jobs. Those guys love comics, and the movies they made together posses something that no other superhero film does : it set to achieve something meaningful. Seriously : the problem isn't that MoS and BvS weren't light or fun enough, it's that people are used to mediocrity in this genre and react poorly to any attempt to actually tell valuable stories, with a deep meaning.

No. They set out to catch up to Marvel in the span of less movies, and tried to mask this poorly executed rush job of storytelling and world-building with pretentious dialogue and desperately gratuitous DC references and cameos.