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    Quote Originally Posted by shooshoomanjoe View Post
    And republicans called Obama un-American.
    Not merely un-American, they claimed that Mr. Obama was not American. There is a HUGE difference. Mr. Trump, in fact, led the charge on the racist birther tripe, calling for Mr. Obama to prove that he was a citizen by showing his birth certificate. Yet this same individual is fighting tooth and nail not to disclose his taxes. All of Mr. Trump's predecessors provided their tax and income information freely without prompting or challenge. Some would say Mr. Trump is behaving un-American here. Yet Republicans still support and enable him? Why is that, I wonder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight_v View Post
    I'm really curious to see how people will react when/if he wins a second term. Especially here. I think its the very aggressive stance that people take against him but moreso his followers and eventually anyone that isn't a hardline never-trumper that push people TOWARDS the guy. They've inadvertently set up a forbidden fruit scenario. Makes no real difference to me but... still... there's no political discourse just pointing and yelling "Shun" and that's kinda what they did the last time iirc. Deplorables or no.
    Mr. Trump and his lackeys are certainly doing everything in their power, including suppressing the vote, to win a second term.

    I see two hurdles for the Trump administration. They have to first win the election. But they also have to keep a Republican Senate majority. Failing the first, obviously, fast tracks him on outstanding indictments that await him the minute he is out of office. However, winning the presidency, but losing the Senate would be equally disastrous. A Democrat majority in House and Senate spells a second impeachment, this time on charges that the Dems deliberately withheld from the first impeachment, and this time with Mr. Trump being successfully ousted from office.

    If Mr. Trump wins the election and manages to keep the Senate in his pocket, things could get interesting.

    But not nearly as interesting as things will get if the Democrats take the Presidency, the Senate and the House. If that happens, within the first 90 days expect the Dems to pack the Supreme Court by increasing the number of justices from 9 to 11 minimally. That would give liberals a majority in the USSC and more than make up for McConnell refusing to even consider Mr. Obama's pick of Merrick Garland -- an appointment that the Republicans "stole" in the person of Brett Kavanaugh. The Dems will also have their hands full cleaning up the mess that the Republicans made, some of it by simple neglect.

    I know most people could care less about politics, but one way or the other exciting times await.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudicatorPrime View Post
    Mr. Trump and his lackeys are certainly doing everything in their power, including suppressing the vote, to win a second term.

    I see two hurdles for the Trump administration. They have to first win the election. But they also have to keep a Republican Senate majority. Failing the first, obviously, fast tracks him on outstanding indictments that await him the minute he is out of office. However, winning the presidency, but losing the Senate would be equally disastrous. A Democrat majority in House and Senate spells a second impeachment, this time on charges that the Dems deliberately withheld from the first impeachment, and this time with Mr. Trump being successfully ousted from office.

    If Mr. Trump wins the election and manages to keep the Senate in his pocket, things could get interesting.

    But not nearly as interesting as things will get if the Democrats take the Presidency, the Senate and the House. If that happens, within the first 90 days expect the Dems to pack the Supreme Court by increasing the number of justices from 9 to 11 minimally. That would give liberals a majority in the USSC and more than make up for McConnell refusing to even consider Mr. Obama's pick of Merrick Garland -- an appointment that the Republicans "stole" in the person of Brett Kavanaugh. The Dems will also have their hands full cleaning up the mess that the Republicans made, some of it by simple neglect.

    I know most people could care less about politics, but one way or the other exciting times await.

    That God awful Cheeto is a fascist. His use of secret police by the already unconstitutional DHS was absolutely horrifying and now he seeks to suppress the vote of the American people.

    The man should be tried for treason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight_v View Post
    Wee Lad... So a vote for trump is a vote for "Evil" basically in your opinion. Gotcha. It seems like that's a terrifying view to hold because as I alluded to above... its a real possibility that he pulls it off despite all the factors people going against him and then you're kinda stonewalled into this canyon where everyone around you or some HUUUUGE percentage or people around you at least just voted Lex Luthor or Norman Osborne into the white house.

    Well thats not how people are, ANNDDD this is world stage so many people will be directely affected an many are going to be look-e-loos from wherever they're living . It IS about who can govern effectively though, but its hard to reconcile that kind of thought when there are huge number of people who feel like the above poster that it isn't about "governance" at all, its about voting against... well... Tyranny or Evil... depending. Idk.

    I actyally feel like this got necro'd like that happened looong ago somehow. Oh well. There's more to comics that what the ceo's are upto anyway.

    Laterz.
    Why be so coy about it? When it comes to Trump vs. Biden, who do you support?

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    Well, one's a business man rather than a politician and the other sniffs little girls. You yanks wouldn't be in this position if you ditched the two party nonsense ages ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Well, one's a business man rather than a politician and the other sniffs little girls. You yanks wouldn't be in this position if you ditched the two party nonsense ages ago.
    Calling Trump a "businessman" is being generous, and he's done more than sniff little girls.



    Biden is far from my first choice, but wed get someone like that anyway. It's not like not having the two party system didn't stop Macron or Le Pen be the front runners in France. In democracy citizens don't have the option of "choose neither." One of them is going to win, may as well not be the Republican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Calling Trump a "businessman" is being generous, and he's done more than sniff little girls.



    Biden is far from my first choice, but wed get someone like that anyway. It's not like not having the two party system didn't stop Macron or Le Pen be the front runners in France. In democracy citizens don't have the option of "choose neither." One of them is going to win, may as well not be the Republican.
    Well France always had a multi-political party system. It's just two of them had a lot of dominance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Well, one's a business man rather than a politician and the other sniffs little girls. You yanks wouldn't be in this position if you ditched the two party nonsense ages ago.
    Technically, we don't have a two party system. We have a multiparty system. Literally anyone can get on the ballot as long as they meet the requisite Constitutional criteria. The problem with the US is that eventually, inevitably money enters the fray. Whenever that happens the groups that have the financial support survive as the most visible and vocal. Those that don't are muted and left by the wayside. This dynamic is further exacerbated by the two dominant parties that have done everything above and beyond legal avenues to ensure that they remain in power, like gerrymandering, etc.

    Trump isn't wrong: American politics is a bit swampy. But that is definitely the pot calling the kettle black. He's part of the rot. Everyone knows this. What I can't figure out is if his supporters called for a priest and the Devil showed up instead ... or if they called for the Devil all along. I'm leaning towards the latter.

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    This thread should be moved to another sub-forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudicatorPrime View Post
    Technically, we don't have a two party system. We have a multiparty system. Literally anyone can get on the ballot as long as they meet the requisite Constitutional criteria. The problem with the US is that eventually, inevitably money enters the fray. Whenever that happens the groups that have the financial support survive as the most visible and vocal. Those that don't are muted and left by the wayside. This dynamic is further exacerbated by the two dominant parties that have done everything above and beyond legal avenues to ensure that they remain in power, like gerrymandering, etc.

    Trump isn't wrong: American politics is a bit swampy. But that is definitely the pot calling the kettle black. He's part of the rot. Everyone knows this. What I can't figure out is if his supporters called for a priest and the Devil showed up instead ... or if they called for the Devil all along. I'm leaning towards the latter.
    The reason why we have the system we have is because of First Past the Post voting or the "winner takes all system." Minority governments can be made, so people vote against their own interests because they hate the other guy more. Eventually, you get political apathy and discontent.

    We actually did have a single party rule when the Federalist Party collapsed. It's just that America was more of a federation and less of a unified people until after the South committed treason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Well, one's a business man rather than a politician and the other sniffs little girls. You yanks wouldn't be in this position if you ditched the two party nonsense ages ago.
    Most countries exist under a two party system practically speaking. Here in the UK we have more than two parties and unlike the US one of the third parties gets a decent amount of votes but ultimately you're choices are either Labour or Conservative. Even when it's a hung Parliament and a third party can hold the balance of power it usually ends in tears for all concerned.

    Also I think Trump has done a hell of a lot worse than sniff little girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Well France always had a multi-political party system. It's just two of them had a lot of dominance.
    Exactly. Didn't change anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Triniking1234 View Post
    Well France always had a multi-political party system. It's just two of them had a lot of dominance.
    But it's not always the same. (I mean, on the paper.)
    Most of elections have been Socialist Party vs Right (always changing their name), yes, but one has been Right vs Far Right, and the last of was LREM (neither left, nor left) vs Far Right
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    Forget everything I just said.

    I just watched the first night of the Republican Convention. Ladies and Gentleman, get ready for the Purge. Just sayin'.

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    People are already murdering eachother in the streets without cops, what more of a purge do you want?

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