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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveStar View Post
    I have a problem with it because it annoying to purposely do it, just to get attention to a character because it's nothing else he can offer. Strifes dress wasn't uber-revealing, it was just a design and was without attention seeking, also with first born. Characters can be shirtless but do it when it's necessary not because the character needs attention.

    Would you let your 13 year old daughter wear Strife's dress? Why was it necessary for the First Born to be shirtless?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Poison View Post
    Would you let your 13 year old daughter wear Strife's dress? Why was it necessary for the First Born to be shirtless?
    Strife is a god, a grown woman, of course I wouldn't let my underage daughter or sister wear that but why are we comparing a grown woman to a child?

    Why was First Born shirtless? Don't know ask Azzarello or Chiang who have the character the design. What is necessary? nope. But first born wasn't purposely for "sex appeal" that's for sure. Why is neccesary for Steve to be shirtless?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Poison View Post
    Would you let your 13 year old daughter wear Strife's dress? Why was it necessary for the First Born to be shirtless?
    Two things...

    - Strife was not thirteen. No one should be deciding what is or is not ok for an adult(let alone an adult god) to wear.

    - The First Born was raised by animals! If anything, that he bothers with any clothing is the odd part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveStar View Post
    Strife is a god, a grown woman, of course I wouldn't let my underage daughter or sister wear that but why are we comparing a grown woman to a child?

    Why was First Born shirtless? Don't know ask Azzarello or Chiang who have the character the design. What is necessary? nope. But first born wasn't purposely for "sex appeal" that's for sure. Why is neccesary for Steve to be shirtless?

    You said Strife's dress wasn't uber-revealing so if that's the case, why wouldn't you let your 13 year old daughter wear it?

    It was necessary for Steve to be shirtless because of what was happening in the story. It's not like he just took his shirt off and was like "Check out my pecs and treasure trail ladies!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    Two things...

    - Strife was not thirteen. No one should be deciding what is or is not ok for an adult(let alone an adult god) to wear.

    - The First Born was raised by animals! If anything, that he bothers with any clothing is the odd part.

    That's exactly it. Why would the First Born wear pants and a cloak but NOT a shirt? It makes no sense at all. He should have been totally naked like you said given that he was raised by hyenas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Poison View Post
    That's exactly it. Why would the First Born wear pants and a cloak but NOT a shirt? It makes no sense at all. He should have been totally naked like you said given that he was raised by hyenas.
    You know that was his armor, right? Why does the concept of putting you armor back on to go back to war not make sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    You know that was his armor, right? Why does the concept of putting you armor back on to go back to war not make sense?

    Why armor your groin and legs but not your chest? Makes no sense.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Poison View Post
    Why armor your groin and legs but not your chest? Makes no sense.....
    And, he made sense when?

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    So anyway. This arc was 6 issues long?

    1. Themyscira, Diana gets bit by a snake in a tree, Steve crashes.
    2. Steve wakes, Amazons compete, Diana wins.
    3. Diana & Steve arrive in FL, lost in translation montage, animal gods show up in prison.
    4. Cheetah interlude?
    5. Diana and the gang goes to a mall, fight Sear Group, find Ares.
    6. Diana & Steve fight Ares, Diana & Steve fight Sear Group and save the international academy.

    I could've done with 1 and 2 being the same issue. 3's beginning and end was great. Maybe spread out 5 and 6 into a steadier climb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Poison View Post
    You said Strife's dress wasn't uber-revealing so if that's the case, why wouldn't you let your 13 year old daughter wear it?

    It was necessary for Steve to be shirtless because of what was happening in the story. It's not like he just took his shirt off and was like "Check out my pecs and treasure trail ladies!"
    Why are you stuck on comparing a grown woman to a child? It's a short dress with tearings. It's not UBER-revealing but not something a kid would wear either period. Still no point with this comparison.

    Um...no its not necessary for Steve to be shirtless. Everyone got hit with Ares blasting in and nobody else lost their shirt but the writer chose to force it in for Steve even when it's not necessary. That's exactly what the team wants for that reaction every time and it's annoying and pointless when done in EVERY issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numberthirty View Post
    And, he made sense when?

    I'll agree with you there. The concept of the First Born was flawed in many ways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoveStar View Post
    Why are you stuck on comparing a grown woman to a child? It's a short dress with tearings. It's not UBER-revealing but not something a kid would wear either period. Still no point with this comparison.

    Um...no its not necessary for Steve to be shirtless. Everyone got hit with Ares blasting in and nobody else lost their shirt but the writer chose to force it in for Steve even when it's not necessary. That's exactly what the team wants for that reaction every time and it's annoying and pointless when done in EVERY issue.

    Strife dressed like a lady of the night IMO. Saying she was more presentable than Steve without a shirt seems like a double standard to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Poison View Post
    I'll agree with you there. The concept of the First Born was flawed in many ways.
    The concept is completely fine. He's just not a master strategist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Poison View Post
    Strife dressed like a lady of the night IMO. Saying she was more presentable than Steve without a shirt seems like a double standard to me.
    That's not a double standard at all when Strife IS the goddess of discord, dark chaos, etc...as well as in mythology said to be the daughter of Nyx the goddess of night
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    The idea that in a title called Wonder Woman that the male lead is always losing his shirt is funny. Note, GalaxyQuest and the line about always losing his shirt.
    If the artists are good, then it is also attractive.

    Regarding the character's motivation for not wearing a shirt... Steve is currently being drawn as a bodybuilder. He is certainly not being drawn with a natural musculature. And the truth is that lots of bodybuilders like to go shirtless when they can because it is more comfortable for them (and they are exhibitionists). One of my past flings had a habit of being shirtless at any opportunity. Have you ever seen the old tv show Cheyenne with Clint Walker? Not a show went by without that cowboy takng off his shirt. And we won't even mention Robert Conrad on The Wild Wild West.

    The thing is that it is very easy to sexualize a female character in a comic in the eyes of a readership. Twisty poses. Large breasts. Curvy rear. Even as she is fully dressed. It is much harder to do the same thing to a male character. Note Tarzan and the Martian Manhunter. The fact that Scott has done so by simply removing Steve's shirt IS probably exactly the dialogue the creative team wished to create.

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