The Button (cross-over with "the Flash")

[gwangung]

While I'm kinda interested in the Rebirth (Watchmen) aspect, I'm actually mostly excited for this simply because it's a Batman/Flash team up story.

Such little teamup arcs in main books don't happen enough.

Yes. This. Exactly.

[jbmasta]

I'm excited because of the team up here as well. I wish they would start doing more little team up arcs actually.

Next month it's Batman teaming up with Simon Baz and Jessica Cruz in the pages of Green Lanterns for Darkest Knights.

[SicariiDC]

I don't understand not being interested in the larger story. Certainly not to the point where you'd actually consider dropping a title because of a short crossover.

And LOL at less than a year being "too long".

Exactly. I read the article like "hell yeah, this is gonna be dope. Batman and flash, rebirth mystery...I'm in." It seems like it will be right after the Bane arc in King's Batman. I'm jazzed for this. And it's a short crossover. Night of the Monster Men was dumb tho. But I'm very interested in this plot and story and I don't read Flash or Superman (where there has been other rebirth developments, right?) So this is just off the strength of the one shot.

I'm psyched tbh.

[Bukdiah]

Exactly. I read the article like "hell yeah, this is gonna be dope. Batman and flash, rebirth mystery...I'm in." It seems like it will be right after the Bane arc in King's Batman. I'm jazzed for this. And it's a short crossover. Night of the Monster Men was dumb tho. But I'm very interested in this plot and story and I don't read Flash or Superman (where there has been other rebirth developments, right?) So this is just off the strength of the one shot.

I'm psyched tbh.

Ah, yeah, wasn't a fan of Night of the Monster Men...very...fantastical for a Batman crossover and spanned so many other titles.

[CentralPower]

At least DC admitted that "Night of the Monster Men" was filler. (It was not great. But, it was not sold as anything other than filler.)

You missed Saturn Girl in #9, then.

Gonna check that issue again. (Where abouts is the cameo?)

Except that DC told people from the start that the overarching Rebirth story line would take two years to come to fruition and DC has been seeding plot and developing the mystery in a slew of other titles. T

It strikes me as DC stalling for time.

Like I said, I will buy in for a two issue event. But, DC does not have enough of my trust for a long-haul event.

It baffles me that people are getting impatient re: rebirth.

Do people want the 2 events a year snake eating its tale (event > lead up to next event > event > so on) that Marvel has been guilty of?

Let the books breathe, let the creators tell their story, and I'll be content to wait until mini's like this pop up.

I was content to read without the event. (Seriously, I had forgotten "Rebirth" and moved on by the end of "I am Gotham".

[JasonTodd428]

It strikes me as DC stalling for time.

Like I said, I will buy in for a two issue event. But, DC does not have enough of my trust for a long-haul event.

It strikes me as DC being honest to fans about the length of time the over-arching Rebirth plot will take to resolve. Each to their own I guess but I never expected them to make short work of a plot line that is supposed to actually have line-wide ramifications. Something long-haul like that takes time to build if you want to do it right and I rather suspect that, after the snafu that was the N52, DC wants to take their time with this one. Honestly I'd rather they take the time to actually think about where they are going with this and to build it up properly then for them to throw things against a wall and see what sticks as has happened in the past.

[SicariiDC]

I was content to read without the event. (Seriously, I had forgotten "Rebirth" and moved on by the end of "I am Gotham".

As you've said, several times. Ok, your not into it. Fair enough.

I much rather this slow burn plot. And even if it's weak, it's 2 issues of Batman. I don't have to buy the Flash issues. No one is forcing me to buy anything i dont like, or want to read.

Maybe I'm just super lucky that my LCS is a place where I can say, "hey I don't want these 2, it's part of a crossover I'm not into" and they just throw em on the rack.

Are other stores not like that? Where is the pressure coming from?

[JBatmanFan05]

At least DC admitted that "Night of the Monster Men" was filler. (It was not great. But, it was not sold as anything other than filler.)

It was not great, but I think it was serviceable, average. I've certainly read worse in the last 16 years of Batman comics. I'm gonna buy the HC (partly because I need it for comic binding completeness).

[gwangung]

The quality of "filler" stories is what makes characters great in the first place The over-reliance on "meaningful" stories prevents readers from just enjoying stories.

[Caivu]

Gonna check that issue again. (Where abouts is the cameo?)

She draws the Legion symbol on her cell wall.

[JasonTodd428]

Gonna check that issue again. (Where abouts is the cameo?)

It happened in issue #9 two pages after Batman talks to Wesk(l)er about joining his team. Batman is walking by Saturn Girl's cell and she draws the Legion symbol on the cell door. She is also the only character in that entire sequence that doesn't speak.

[Bukdiah]

As you've said, several times. Ok, your not into it. Fair enough.

I much rather this slow burn plot. And even if it's weak, it's 2 issues of Batman. I don't have to buy the Flash issues. No one is forcing me to buy anything i dont like, or want to read.

Maybe I'm just super lucky that my LCS is a place where I can say, "hey I don't want these 2, it's part of a crossover I'm not into" and they just throw em on the rack.

Are other stores not like that? Where is the pressure coming from?

I can usually ask people at my LCS, "Hey, do you think I need to read this tie in too?" and they'll usually let me know if they are able.

[CentralPower]

I am not complaining about buying two extra comics. I am just unhappy that DC is taking so long with "Rebirth". (Reboots are fine. But, get them over and done, them move on.)

It was not great, but I think it was serviceable, average. I've certainly read worse in the last 16 years of Batman comics. I'm gonna buy the HC (partly because I need it for comic binding completeness).

Filler is filler. "Night of the Monster Men" was filler. And, I can see getting the hardcover as a completist. But, while I get that the writers needed some easy make-work, I am not going to say that "Night of the Monster Men" added much.

The quality of "filler" stories is what makes characters great in the first place The over-reliance on "meaningful" stories prevents readers from just enjoying stories.

A character is only as good as the writer, and what the writer does with them. (Batman fighting bank robbers or even costumed criminals is useless. A Batman comic with something to say adds value to the franchise.)