Peter, Mary Jane and Annie-May Parker: Renew Your Vows Appreciation 2018

[Miles To Go]

Hope it continues this is the onyl alternative to seeing amarried Peter Parker and Mary Jane taken to the next level besides the newspaper comic.

And even the newspaper comic has written MJ out of it for the time being.

[The Dying Detective]

And even the newspaper comic has written MJ out of it for the time being.

At least they bring her back.

[Miles To Go]

At least they bring her back.

Yeah, that's true. It'll take ages this time around though, she'll probably won't be back until the tail end of the year

[Jekyll]

Wow!!! What an issue! Really looking forward to where this arc is going.

[The Dying Detective]

Yeah, that's true. It'll take ages this time around though, she'll probably won't be back until the tail end of the year

So it's a current story wow marriage fans are goign to have to learn to be really patient. Also this wasn't a bad issue at least Peter gets more of the spotlight this time.

[Miles To Go]

So it's a current story wow marriage fans are goign to have to learn to be really patient. Also this wasn't a bad issue at least Peter gets more of the spotlight this time.

Yeah, I loved him chilling with Logan and referring to him as an "Amazing Friend"

[Huntsman Spider]

Yeah, I loved him chilling with Logan and referring to him as an "Amazing Friend"

And we get confirmation that The Clone Saga did happen in this reality, that Ben Reilly did exist (hopefully with a better fate or ending than 616 canon got). From there, I'm guessing the point of divergence between this and 616 was the superhero Civil War being averted by Charles Xavier and the Avengers persuading the government that superheroes could be trusted to police themselves, thus ensuring Spider-Man never felt the impetus to publicly reveal himself and thus endanger his family in such a way that it required a literal Faustian bargain to undo. That being said, with a clone of Annie running around wreaking havoc, I'm guessing that'll put the whole "self-policing" idea to the test, particularly given Spider-Man's historically dubious reputation with law enforcement and the press. Just wondering what Mister Sinister's endgame is here.

[Inversed]

And we get confirmation that The Clone Saga did happen in this reality, that Ben Reilly did exist (hopefully with a better fate or ending than 616 canon got). From there, I'm guessing the point of divergence between this and 616 was the superhero Civil War being averted by Charles Xavier and the Avengers persuading the government that superheroes could be trusted to police themselves, thus ensuring Spider-Man never felt the impetus to publicly reveal himself and thus endanger his family in such a way that it required a literal Faustian bargain to undo. That being said, with a clone of Annie running around wreaking havoc, I'm guessing that'll put the whole "self-policing" idea to the test, particularly given Spider-Man's historically dubious reputation with law enforcement and the press. Just wondering what Mister Sinister's endgame is here.

I've always looked at RYV as the universe in which Avengers Disassembled never happened, so Scarlet Witch never went crazy and none of the major events that followed it happened, so no House Of M, no Civil War, no Secret Invasion, etc. And now that it sounds like the Clone Saga did happen here as well, I believe it even more.

[Digifiend]

The divergeance point is roughly 1999, because the X-Men never changed their costumes, they were changed to be more like the movie in 616.

[WebLurker]

The divergeance point is roughly 1999, because the X-Men never changed their costumes, they were changed to be more like the movie in 616.

However, wouldn't Annie's birth push changes back to almost '87 ("The Wedding")? The original mini seems to indicate that Annie wasn't born too much longer after her parents' marriage and shows Kraven alive and well a decade later, meaning that "Kraven's Last Hunt" never happened in the RYV-verse. It would also seem that the RYV clone saga happened with Annie around, too.

IMHO, I think that RYV is a broad strokes continuation of ASM more than anything else.

[millernumber1]

Man was Issue 20 great.

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We got Peter doing some detective work, sharing a beer with Logan, running down every possibility about why Annie would turn bad, and when the word "clone" comes up...man. I felt chills.

end of spoilers

Yeah folks, spoilers:

the clone saga happened in this reality alright, and Ben Reily existed too, and from what Peter implied, MJ's miscarriage happened too...meaning Annie really is still Peter and MJ's second child.

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Massive game-changer of an issue.

Quite enjoyed it - though I miss MJ in this issue.

The art was fine - I still miss Stegman quite a bit. But at least it's not Stockman (hopefully I keep feeling this way).

[Jekyll]

Quite enjoyed it - though I miss MJ in this issue.

The art was fine - I still miss Stegman quite a bit. But at least it's not Stockman (hopefully I keep feeling this way).

It is hard to beat Stegeman but this was my favorite art work in the houser run this far.

[Miles To Go]

However, wouldn't Annie's birth push changes back to almost '87 ("The Wedding")? The original mini seems to indicate that Annie wasn't born too much longer after her parents' marriage and shows Kraven alive and well a decade later, meaning that "Kraven's Last Hunt" never happened in the RYV-verse. It would also seem that the RYV clone saga happened with Annie around, too.

Peter makes mention of something happening to MJ during the last time he tackled Clones, it was a clear indicator MJ's miscarriage with Mayday happened. Annie has been retconned back into being the second child the Parkers had.

[WebLurker]

Peter makes mention of something happening to MJ during the last time he tackled Clones, it was a clear indicator MJ's miscarriage with Mayday happened. Annie has been retconned back into being the second child the Parkers had.

Wouldn't that make the Parkers significantly older than they appear, though?

[Miles To Go]

Wouldn't that make the Parkers significantly older than they appear, though?

Does it matter? They're never depicted as older looking.

Besides, nobody ever has said there was a massive time gap between the Clone Saga and JMS' era. It was probably just a year or so.