Incredibly subjective.
I love the Silver Age stuff, but while I may consider it the best material the Silver Age has, a small handful of stories aside, I wouldn't consider the vast majority of the era to be among the Legion's best.
Meanwhile I have no disagreement on this end.
It isn't perfect, but as a whole I think I prefer Five Years Later to the vast majority of what came before it.
And for many of us, the Reboot Era (1994-2004) is the best the Legion has ever been. And in that era, Superman wasn't even the sole inspiration for the team, let alone a member.
Much as I love Kon, I felt his appearances dragged down the bits of the Reboot era he was around for (especially when their final story was made all about him), Supergirl taking over the Threeboot book is when it lost any chance of being good and the Retroboot is generally reviled.
More like it's a non-existent problem that you're making up based off your own subjective views.
In regards to that last part though, I think we'll be seeing yet another reboot when the Legion does return. The Nu52 book ruined many things and not many even read it, and even before the Nu52, the retroboot wasn't doing well. And it'd just be confusing to say that those stories were the last thing that are canon, especially when this is a time that the Legion needs to become accessible to new readers. So I imagine that we'll be seeing a team that looks and sounds a lot like the original Legion, much as I wish they'll be based on the Reboot versions, but without any of the previous history.
You write that as if I'm trying to pull a fast one and dupe everyone into accepting my post as an objective statement of a universal truth. It would help if you read the whole paragraph (or better yet the whole post) as one cohesive thing. Then it comes across as a credible subjective argument--what I happen to think.
Look at the whole parargraph (the bolded part shows that I was indicating a subjective point of view).
But even if I never overtly stated "I think" in the argument, it's just common sense--and courtesy--to accept that it's what I think. Why would I say something that isn't what I think?
I'm with you here, I think he should only be Superboy when with the Legion. He doesn't even have to wear the suit, I'd go with the jeans and t shirt look Morrison gave him during his run.
I only look back on the 80's Superboy book with great fondness for the Schaffenberger art, so seamless and neat.
Glad to see a LOSH book coming.
But I really hope they get some new blood on the book. Balance out the old-school cheesiness of the Legion (which you have to keep) with someone with a youthful, fresh voice and a sleek clean artstyle. I'd love to see the Super Sons team take a crack at it.
And yes, I definitely want Superboy as the main character, be it young Clark or Jon.
Thanks, but I'd actually want a new Legion book to be readable.
Thanks, but I'd actually want a new Legion book to be readable.
Also, Legion books shouldn't have a main character. My fear of a Super being one after the Threeboot is why I'm so against any of them being involved. This is a cast of dozens and if you have a main character, especially a Super, most of them will never get to do anything.And in the case of Jon, he already has two books where he's a main character. Little brat doesn't need a third.
You make some good points, but I have slightly different opinions on some aspects. All are my opinions, of course.
While it can be argued the best Legion stories were with Superboy, I would maintain that after Superboy left and the book reverted to being LSH only in issue 259, Superboy was only there for the big stories like Great Darkness and weddings. You knew that if Superboy was needed, something was big. This mindset makes a constant Superboy presense somewhat counterproductive. I'm also not sure a Legion that can't stand without Superboy should carry a book. I do think it's possible, of course.
Clark as Superboy might work as a situation where he is mindwiped before returning to his present day. Of course, the Legion would provide him with a cpstume complete with red shorts on the outside. As for reboots, I'm not sure what's happening as the multiple Supermen (Nuperman and Superdad, did I get the names right?) each had their own Legion. I'm guessing that only one Superman and one Legion makes it through after Rebirth (and probably Action 1,000).
In any case, though, the addition oof the Legion to the Superman mythos is important. They give him a group to belong to and feel less alone. My opinion is that Superman as a character needs the Legion more than they need him. From a sales view, that might be different.
But I'm frustrated. FF, JSA, and LSH. 'Nuff said.
We don't yet have any information on if/when one may be coming.
Speculation that we would get one has been on-going for over a year-and-a-half, but nothing further has been announced yet.
More recent speculation is that either Doomsday Clock and/or members of the Legion showing up on the Supergirl TV show could be the catalyst that causes something to finally happen, but we still haven't moved beyond that speculation phase yet.
No issues with Jon coming to the future for an adventure every few years or so. Okay, some issues, but that's entirely different from him being the protagonist or even just being a regular member.
I mean, I am a Johnny and Ben fan, at least in the way that they're my favorites of the four. That said, I'm fully aware there's a split in people who want them back and people who don't.
This was part of a polite, grown-up conversation where the intention was to express a slightly different opinion without being disagreeable. Generally, this leads to more being said and a greater knowledge of the topic. Finding isolated points and being a smartass doesn't add anything to the conversation.
There's a whole Marvel forum where multiple FF threads live.
And here I thought the years from 2001 to 2004 were part of the 21st Century.
That is correct. Today, DC only has 14 ongoing titles that manage to sell above 30,000 in the direct market and several of those will be dropping below that point in the next month or two. However the Legion is something there's clear demand for. It's one of the things constantly brought up alongside Captain Marvel and JSA. And you want to talk about comic book buying habits having changed? The last time the Legion was successful WITH Superboy was the early 80's.
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