That Squadron got mind controlled so often that the Avengers thought that they had an inherent weakness to it.
As far as this Squadron goes, if there ever was a market for a Marvel version of a meaner Justice League, it would have needed something other
than a bunch of C listers (at best) on the team.
That it even got to 15 issues is a surprise to me.
That was the biggest selling point to me for the team. It made you think they were going to be this cerebral unit that would have a hand in all of the major stuff going on.
But they were omitted from Pleasant Hill, no say so or impact. Omitted from Civil War II, no screen time, just a throw-away butt kicking by Adam. No crossovers with the Ultimates or New Avengers, and that brief one with the UA was more so deflating than anything.
The premise was one of those marketed concepts where if they weren't going to be embraced/incorporated by the greater MU, then the book was going to face plant very quickly. Even still, that doesn't excuse the meh plot points and character interactions once it was established that this book wasn't going to be what it advertised itself as.
i'm not even sure what that means. anyone with a power prism is, at least, B-list. Blur outmaneuvered Quicksilver. Nighthawk just embarrassed Hawkeye in Avengers Occupy. and was Hyperion C-List when he was an Avenger? people are just projecting their personal bias onto it.
so what's happening with the team now? Has Sub-mariner returned?
How does the team pursue its agenda now?
he would find a niche if someone would write him properly. Sentry is Marvel's Superman. Hyperion is a team beater who is routinely used as an antagonist. I had hoped that they were going to use this book to elevate him/flesh him out. they only killed Namor to set up him joining. his role in the incursions, they had to clear the air; first. Zarda is the strongest character; story-wise.
What a disappointing end to a disappointing series about a team I had high hopes for, I hop the Earth-712 Squadron is still out there and we can get more stories with them
"The preceding announcement has been paid for by the new World order"
Well, a "disappointing end to a disappointing series" is nice for being consistent, right?
The Gruenwald (712) Squadron was wiped out. Zarda is the only survivor.
I want to miss this series more than I am going to. The only reason I kept reading was a sentimental love of the Squadron that is more and more past tense at this point. (The "Hyperion" series was good. But, it is over and done. "Secret Wars" was almost two years ago, making the Hickman and Ewing comics close to three years old. Gruenwald's series was over 30 years ago.)
The next Squadron-related thing that I plan to read is the first volume "Paradise-X" (which I started last week). The question now is if I am going to like the Squadron at all by the end of next week.
I wonder if Robinson made the last issue up on the spot (as a hasty ending), or cobbled it together from notes and outlines for the series he planned to write over the course of a few years.Though I don't feel the premise of the team ever really got off the ground, in a way I do consider this a satisfying finish to the book.
Hammond was a main character in the last arc. And, there are plenty of good reasons to rebrand Hammond as "the Human Reactor".just one long love letter to Jim Hammond and condemnation of the Squadron. i won't be purchasing any more James Robinson works.
Yeah, the Squadron was not supposed to come out of this clean. (They are always supposed to be flawed heroes.) If the Squadron does not end up in a morally greyish (or darker) place, then there might not be any point to using them.You say that like it's a bad thing, which it most certainly isn't.
Restated: The Squadron Supreme is not supposed to be admirable. They are supposed to be flawed heroes.
Those Robinson quotes kind of prove that the Squadron was not supposed to be the most awesome good guys ever.maybe he should have said that so I wouldn't invest my money in the book.
https://news.marvel.com/comics/24769..._for_survival/
(And, the Squadron's moral failing were not a problem for this series.)
The series definitely lacked focus.At least hyperion pointed out the flaw of this book
They didn't do anything
Whatan interestong premise that was basically abandoned after one arc
The first arc was good "get the team together" set-up. But, if Robinson had a plan beyond that, it was not apparent. The two or three issues with Spectrum added baggage, and no apparent value. (I wonder if Spectrum will survive the next event, or if the writers will simply forget her entirely.)
The focus on Zarda (both counterparts) was interesting. But, it was not addressed. Neither Zarda has been seen for 2 or 3 issues, and Robinson seems to have forgotten about them here. (And, I doubt Marvel is going to use them. Just assume they slipped on banana peels, near stairs, tumbled down and landed in swimming pools filled with toasters.)
The end of the series. The team breaks up.By ending, is this end of an arc, or the book cancelled?
Blur: Surrenders to SHIELD, and enjoys a degree of clemency. If I were to guess, I would assume he is the most likely to return, likely in a SHIELD related book.
Doctor Spectrum: Goes off to live with the Inhumans. (Presumably, they will give her asylum from SHIELD.)
Hyperion: Back to driving a truck. (Not sure how Marc Milton keeps finding work as a trucker, considering how he lost at least one truck and cannot possibly be making regular drives.) In theory, he is a fugitive. But, I doubt that Marvel has any near term plans for Hyperion. ("Hyperion" clearly took place before "Civil War II", so I am assuming this is a return to Milton driving a truck, rather than leading in to that.)
Nighthawk: Heads off to star in the (recently cancelled) "Nighthawk" series, and has since shown up in "Occupy Avengers".
Thundra: Back to Weirdworld. (Thundra going back to Weirdworld also supports the idea that the "Hyperion" series was set well before the end of "Squadron Supreme".)
Zarda(s): The heroic (Gruenwald) Zarda was last seen during the fight with SHIELD. Her ultimate disposition is never established. The evil (Guggenheim) Zarda was last seen just before the fight with SHIELD. Her disposition is similarly vague. (There is also nothing definitive about the country she took over or the aliens she was working with.)
Most, if not all, of the bromance between Hyperion and Thor was during Hickman's run on "the Avengers". And, most of that got fuzzed out by the end of "Secret Wars". (This is why Thor is still unworthy, despite redeeming himself during "Time Runs Out". The battle where he earned redemption never happened.) Some of it may carry over. But, will Marvel bother to reference it?I hope to see more Hyperion in the future, either in space where he can really let go or continuing his broship with Thor.
On a completely unrelated note, I want a pony and a million dollars.It would have been cool if Ewing had used the Squadron Supreme, instead of the New Universe group of Troubleshooters, in the Ultimates.
(Joking aside, I have been wanting a Ewing written Squadron series for a while.)
Magic. No, really. Magic....and time travel.So I only read bits of this series here or there (for Namor) and maybe someone would be willing to fill in some holes? I'm a little confused about how Namor was brought back to life, his 'deal' with Hyperion (and why Hyperion wanted to give him a deal in the first place), etc. Anyone willing to explain?
Hyperion was conflicted about his role in Namor's death. The deal was that Namor would help Hyperion and Spectrum save the captured members of the team from a SHIELD prison. Hyperion is shown helping to rebuild Atlantis (which he helped to destroy in the first issue).
Wuhhhht?I find it hilarious that after losing her world, Doctor Spectrum finally finds sanction in New Attilan. Then, the X-Men ransack and destroy it. An honestly comical setup. Also, Blur is about to become an agent of SHIELD right before Maria Hill gets fired and Rogers essentially drives the organization into the ground.
So, I was right about Spectrum probably not surviving "the next event"? Day-um.
I really want to see Robinson use Blur again. Hyperion is my favorite member of the team because of "legacy" (the character's history under Hickman or Ewing). But, Robinson used Blur well enough, both stylistically and to accent what should have been more central themes to the series. (Blur was an "innocent eye" character and illustrated the idea that the characters were all from different places.)
Everybody seemed to forget Zarda. (They forgot two Zardas, from two different timelines. Gotta admit, that is pretty impressive.)and did they all forget about Warrior Woman's defection and designs on taking over the planet?
Namor got past it. I think we all can as well.I'm glad that you have forgiven Hyperion for killing Namor and Spectrum kicking his head like a football.
The team never got "stomped" by Adam. They ran away before he could stomp them. And, SHIELD did not just stomp them. SHIELD tied them up and made fun of them.And then they got stomped by the UA
then stomped by Adam
then stomped by SHIELD
Tell it right.
It is not about who could beat up who. It is about which character is recognizable.i'm not even sure what that means. anyone with a power prism is, at least, B-list. Blur outmaneuvered Quicksilver. Nighthawk just embarrassed Hawkeye in Avengers Occupy. and was Hyperion C-List when he was an Avenger? people are just projecting their personal bias onto it.
The Ultimates are supposed to be all about "teh powerz". The only a-list on the team is Black Panther. 2+ years ago, before showing up in a movie, Panther was a C-lister. Chavez, on the other hand, one of the more powerful members of the team is, at best, a d-lister.
The Squadron are most recognizable as disposable bad guys from that stupid "Avengers" cartoon, where they are fundamentally unrecognizable compared to the characters that show up in most any Squadron comic.
Consider the merchandise.
Most of the team has been made as Hero Clix. The Avengers at least match this.
Hyperion has had the most merchandise exposure, with 5 action figures, if one squints and counts a Lego figure. (Thundra, Nighthawk and Speed Demon tie for a distant second, with one figure each.)
A "c-lister" like Hawkeye? Hawkeye would not even need the (multiple) Lego figures to match Hyperion's numbers.
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It's the Squadron Supreme it has never been more than C list.
That's the point of the team.
I see no upside to it.
for his sake, I hope it was on the spot.
if he isn't a member of the Squadron, he shouldn't have been the main character of any arc. that's my point. Robinson did not sell this as a evolution-of-Jim-Hammond book. this shouldn't have been his vehicle to continue his Invaders stories. it's a cheat.
so are the Thunderbolts. but the Thunderbolts win. know how to write yourself into a corner? make your characters unlikable and defenseless against likable characters. that might work for a mini-series or an event like Dark Reign (and I'd argue that it didn't). but, again, that's not the premise that he sold people on.
what part of the quotes said that? he said that we wouldn't already agree with their actions. he didn't mention that their only accomplishment was going to be removing Namor's head.
of course not. i fully supported them killing Namor. he had it coming.
it sure seemed like had a plan. he set up the mystery of the alien army. he had Warrior Woman align with Mordred, take over the horde, and make a play for aligning with Namor. but, for some reason, Robinson pulled back from all of that; to focus on how awesome Jim Hammond is. he actually had Blur fawn over him.
yes, it was a real mistake. because the solicits made it seem as if she were going to significantly influence the team. there was a story in that; the original (even sans special abilities) steering the Squadron in a separate direction. it would have been payoff for the sacrifice the original squadron made in saving her life.
i think they'd all be better off being written separately, at this point. since everytime one of these threads is made, some ******** calls them a team of C-Listers. maybe they have more potential as individuals.
was Hyperion's guilt the impetus? i seem to remember something about a vision of Namor and Warrior Woman teaming up.
Blur was directionless as the book, imo.
who doesn't recognize Hyperion? does Marvel have another justice league pastiche team?
i don't really see that as a detriment to the characters. half the time, you just need a good costume to draw people in.
still got his rear kicked. not to mention that they've altered a lot about hawkeye because, i guess, he hadn't aged well; thematically. most of it was movie-related.