Should Carol Danvers die?

[Ianbarreilles]

I think the push is important if they being marvel and her fans want the character of Carol Danvers as captain marvel to truly suceed and be popular and really be their flagship female superhero title because I think that she truly can make that a reality despite the direction marvel has taken with her character with the kinda confusing direction they took with the character even before civil war ii when she first back in 2012 finally after decades as ms.marvel took on the mantle of captain marvel and the direction they took her in was to say the least it didn't feel like marvel or Kelly sue knew where they wanted to take the character.

And with civil war ii being a disaster for the character in many readers eyes....well I don't think and believe her future as captain marvel is jeopardized or doomed to fail and that civil war ii or bendis even ruined or destroyed her character simply because of what her character did in that story...I think it's a matter of direction and how the writers handle her character going forward.

I truly believe her character will recover and survive as captain marvel and I hope despite the naysayers and critics that marvel won't give up on Carol Danvers as their flagship female superhero captain marvel.

[t hedge coke]

So... this thread is Should Characters Teste Doesn't Like Be Killed Off?

And, Wiccan posted this

and there's still enough to talk about?

I like some of the convo that followed, but that right there is a beautiful thread-ender.

[brettc1]

I think what slipped passed our radar was the fact that Carol eliminated Tony Stark. Big event. Removing a prime mover, an entrepreneur, figuratively, as she did Tony, puts her in rarefied air. There's no killing that. We are all going to have to get used to this for a while.

But again, that fight was so badly written it did little to endear her to many readers.

Think about it. In AVX Stark has built armor to fight Magneto. MAGNETO -the man who manipulates energy like a walking Grand Unification Theory. That is mega level science.

Yet knowing he is going to have to throw down with Captain Marvel, who specialises in energy manipulation, the best Tony has on offer is big fists and some missiles? That smacks of some serious punking of Iron Mans potential.

He also has armor for fighting the Hulk. Who, we have seen just prior to Secert Wars, can take Carol's hardest hit and then Punch her into orbit. That armor must be tough, but clearly not as heavy duty as what he brought to Washington. Again, with plenty of lead time to prepare.

So her beating Tony with no more than big blasts of energy and kick-boxing doesn't seem that impressive. More like Tony was paid to take a dive.

[Coin Biter]

Strangely enough, the calls for Sue's demise were not at the beginning. Many fans were upset when Sue left the team and walked out on her marriage with Reed Richards at the end of FF #130. They got even more upset when it looked like she was going to hook up with the Sub-Mariner in FF #147. Hence, I refer to the fan page in issue #152, wherein Kristi Cutler wrote a long letter and called for Sue to be killed off. It seems to me that there was a big Sue controversy years later, somewhere around issue #316 or so, and a few fans echoed the same request at that time.

Thanks for the info. I guess it's not surprising - people really seem to get invested in these fictional marriages, and find break ups or shock! horror! suggestions of even potential infidelity very difficult to countenance

[Shaggy]

It's so weird how some people are so upset that Marvel is pushing Carol (or the Inhumans for that matter). You can just not buy these titles.

[Danileriver23]

Should die? No. No hero should die...except maybe Steve Rogers depending how this story arc goes lol

As far as whether or not she should have a book now?...Well, while I did enjoy her first issue, this books kind of doomed. Not even because of its quality. It could be the best book at marvel and still be doomed just by the fact that they're going to have to relaunch it when her movie arrives. I would have held off until then before publishing her book to give her some breathing room in terms of other books and give fans agitated at her over her actions in civil war 2 time to calm down and feel comfortable going back. Now, if people dislike this run, they're going to feel less inclined to come back when they inevitably relaunch this book...That being said, I hope we get a real comic writer next time...

[Wiccan]

Should die? No. No hero should die...except maybe Steve Rogers depending how this story arc goes lol

As far as whether or not she should have a book now?...Well, while I did enjoy her first issue, this books kind of doomed. Not even because of its quality. It could be the best book at marvel and still be doomed just by the fact that they're going to have to relaunch it when her movie arrives. I would have held off until then before publishing her book to give her some breathing room in terms of other books and give fans agitated at her over her actions in civil war 2 time to calm down and feel comfortable going back. Now, if people dislike this run, they're going to feel less inclined to come back when they inevitably relaunch this book...That being said, I hope we get a real comic writer next time...

Lol. If the books lasts until the film, which is in 2019, it would be a miracle. These days titles don't get that much time before being relaunched or just cancelled.

[Ptrvc]

Considering she was involved in the death of the Hulk I'll admit seeing Carol bite the big one would give me quite the sense of spiteful satisfaction. Particularly if it was the same punch to the gut level of stupid as the Hulk's.

Still death for death's sake is part of the problem with comics so I suppose I'll take the high road and call it even.

Just let Hulk do to Carol what Thor did to Tony after CW1 and I'll call it even.

Lol. If the books lasts until the film, which is in 2019, it would be a miracle. These days titles don't get that much time before being relaunched or just cancelled.

It might, if only because Marvel won't let it die.

[616MarvelYear is LeapYear]

We don't have to kill her, maybe she can just go back to being Warbird and break out the classic Warbird costume Monica is still alive. No one would object to her taking back the mantle. Maybe they can get Kurt Busiek and George Perez to handle Carol 's new book.

Kurt Busiek is too good for Marvel Comics.
He truly understood the comicbook character Carol Danvers' desire to be her own woman which means not looking and having a superhero name associated with the comicbook character Captain Mar-Vell,

The Warbird name is exactly what the comicbook character Carol Danvers wants for a superhero name when it comes to her desire of being her own woman and not being a female copy of anyone-- especially Mar-Vell.
As stated before, Kurt Busiek is too good for Marvel Comics. I wish for him to make lots of money with his creator-owned stuff. Taking into account the stories he has provided to the readers of Marvel Comics in the past he soooo deserves it!

[doomeye56]

Should she be killed? No.

I do think they should drop the solo toss her in a second team book and let her simmer there till the lead up to her movie then relaunch the solo.

[Garbledarber]

Nah absolutely not. They should put a ban on stories involving mind wipes and her powers going on the fritz though. If they really want her to stick with her next relaunch they need to put some absolute A list talent on the book.

[Wiccan]

Kurt Busiek is too good for Marvel Comics.
He truly understood the comicbook character Carol Danvers' desire to be her own woman which means not looking and having a superhero name associated with the comicbook character Captain Mar-Vell,

The Warbird name is exactly what the comicbook character Carol Danvers wants for a superhero name when it comes to her desire of being her own woman and not being a female copy of anyone-- especially Mar-Vell.
As stated before, Kurt Busiek is too good for Marvel Comics. I wish for him to make lots of money with his creator-owned stuff. Taking into account the stories he has provided to the readers of Marvel Comics in the past he soooo deserves it!

Of course only you could be ressurecting this stupid thread... Ironic that you talk about how taking the Captain Marvel name makes her a copy of Mar-Vell when you're always advocating for Monica being Captain Marvel.

[skyvolt2000]

It's so weird how some people are so upset that Marvel is pushing Carol (or the Inhumans for that matter). You can just not buy these titles.

You must be new.

Welcome to what POC, female & LGBT fans have dealt with for years.

Funny thing is despite that behavior it didn't stop 3 Blade film, 2 Blade tv shows, Agents of Shields, Antman movie, Manthing movie, Static Shock tv series and all the other low selling books that have found success outside of comics.

There is still an Inhuman tv series. There is still a Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Ironfist & Daredevil shows.

It didn't stop Image, Valiant, Titan, Boom & Archie either.

[616MarvelYear is LeapYear]

Why would she die? They are doing a movie about her.

The comicbook character Peter Parker 'died' only to be resurrected just in time for Sony's movie release of said character.

[dreyga2000]

But again, that fight was so badly written it did little to endear her to many readers.

Think about it. In AVX Stark has built armor to fight Magneto. MAGNETO -the man who manipulates energy like a walking Grand Unification Theory. That is mega level science.

Yet knowing he is going to have to throw down with Captain Marvel, who specialises in energy manipulation, the best Tony has on offer is big fists and some missiles? That smacks of some serious punking of Iron Mans potential.

He also has armor for fighting the Hulk. Who, we have seen just prior to Secert Wars, can take Carol's hardest hit and then Punch her into orbit. That armor must be tough, but clearly not as heavy duty as what he brought to Washington. Again, with plenty of lead time to prepare.

So her beating Tony with no more than big blasts of energy and kick-boxing doesn't seem that impressive. More like Tony was paid to take a dive.

Well Bendis wrote it... Bar is kinda lowered