Multiversity was the true start of Rebirth

[MikefromGotham]

Geoff Johns recently said he was planning Rebirth a few years ago. While writing New 52 Superman he introduced Oz. The Multiversity issue with the map of the multiverse recaps the entire DCU history, and shows a hand mucking with the universe. Just like the panel in Rebirth when Wally is telling Barry that something/someone is out there.


I'm betting Johns and his pal Morrison were planning this together.

[Fairyprincess]

Would that mean 'nu52' was a 'false reboot'??

[RedKnight00]

That hand was there way before Multiversity or Rebirth.

[MikefromGotham]

Yea I get that DC has used the hand idea for decades, Krona and others. The way it was worded in Multiversity and Rebirth were nearly identical though.

[MikefromGotham]

It was a publishing mistake, they've admitted to that, at least Johns has to a large degree. Storywise, It's being spun now that nu52 was caused by Manhattan robbing DC of years.

[K. Jones]

When looking for means to dial back and backdoor old canon back into the fold, or reverse mistakes of the New 52, or just do neat storytelling cosmic crap for the future, Multiversity was surely one of the tools they used to get it done. And Morrison has always been a guy that introduces concepts that make a lot of wishy-washy canon stuff end up somehow just working.

But there's more to the story - Convergence was actually the next step in that, and Convergence, though not great, had some high concepts that were fantastic both in themselves and as means of backdooring some old continuity through to repair things. But that shouldn't be a surprise, since Convergence itself has roots in Multiversity, and since Telos was the mysterious (?) dimension opposite Wonderworld on the Multiverse Map. Ur-Brainiac and his Collection-World Telos were concepts brainstormed, partly or wholly, by Morrison, then picked up and ran with the other writers. Jeff King or whoever.

[MikefromGotham]

When looking for means to dial back and backdoor old canon back into the fold, or reverse mistakes of the New 52, or just do neat storytelling cosmic crap for the future, Multiversity was surely one of the tools they used to get it done. And Morrison has always been a guy that introduces concepts that make a lot of wishy-washy canon stuff end up somehow just working.

But there's more to the story - Convergence was actually the next step in that, and Convergence, though not great, had some high concepts that were fantastic both in themselves and as means of backdooring some old continuity through to repair things. But that shouldn't be a surprise, since Convergence itself has roots in Multiversity, and since Telos was the mysterious (?) dimension opposite Wonderworld on the Multiverse Map. Ur-Brainiac and his Collection-World Telos were concepts brainstormed, partly or wholly, by Morrison, then picked up and ran with the other writers. Jeff King or whoever.

Hey great point, the Multiverse Guidebook has that tiny ? planet at the bottom. Like Telos was part of the border for the known 52 universes, and was partly responsible for holding back the full spread of the infinite multiverse. Multiversity to Convergence to Rebirth.

[scribbleMind]

I really don't think so, seeing how Multiversity spent a whole lot of time lovingly crafting the 52 universe, and then Convergence came right around the corner and said, "No more of that! Infinite universes are back!" That in and of itself makes it seem like they really didn't have much of a plan at all. Granted, that's fine. That's comics. You use your references right and it will seem like you've masterminded everything even if you're just winging it.