Superman vs Pinhead (Hellraiser)

[mohammedelkhater]

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How Would Superman Stop Pinhead? Christopher Reeve's Superman Takes on Doug Bradley's Pinhead

[Primetime Harder]

Which version of Pinhead? He varies pretty damn widely in power over the course of the films, comics, and novels.

[mohammedelkhater]

Which version of Pinhead? He varies pretty damn widely in power over the course of the films, comics, and novels.

Movie Version

[Primetime Harder]

Movie Version

Which movie? Again, lots of variance.

[mohammedelkhater]

Which movie? Again, lots of variance.

Christopher Reeve's Superman Takes on Doug Bradley's Pinhead

[Carabas]

I'm getting a sense of deja vue here.

[abmccray]

I'll try and take this seriously, despite the lack of details/answers.

In most Hellraisers, barring 3 (it was not the 'normal' Pinhead, but one that was missing the human soul that is bound to him), Pinhead:

- Can be intangible
- Seems to ignore physical damage (but the max output was a gun, so we might run into no limits, there)
- Has magical chains as his main weapon, which can phase through things at times
- Can reality warp people, but only apparently if someone uses the box first (part 3 version can warp without the box)

So, basically, Superman who has the same magical resistance as everyone else has to fight an intangible demon thing with magical chains. Not good for him.

[Cyke]

If Superman was smart and used his superspeed, he could quickly test Pinhead's limits. But in Superman II - IV, we've seen that if anyone can hurt or harm Superman in any capacity, he has a pretty bad glass jaw, too (particularly against Nuclear Man). A prolonged fight with magical weaknesses doesn't bode well for him. On the other hand, this particular Supes is so cornbread milquetoast that Pinhead might just forfeit out of lack of interest. Bloodlines had Pinhead defeated with a massive amount of sunlight too, though whether that's because of the sunlight (and if Supes can generate the same power with his heat vision) or because of the configuration of the space station itself is unclear (or I could be wrong. It's been *ages* since I've seen that flick. Feel free to correct).

[Slade1]

I'll try and take this seriously, despite the lack of details/answers.

In most Hellraisers, barring 3 (it was not the 'normal' Pinhead, but one that was missing the human soul that is bound to him), Pinhead:

- Can be intangible
- Seems to ignore physical damage (but the max output was a gun, so we might run into no limits, there)
- Has magical chains as his main weapon, which can phase through things at times
- Can reality warp people, but only apparently if someone uses the box first (part 3 version can warp without the box)

So, basically, Superman who has the same magical resistance as everyone else has to fight an intangible demon thing with magical chains. Not good for him.

We don't know if Reeves Superman was weak to magic or not.

[Primetime Harder]

We don't know if Reeves Superman was weak to magic or not.

Magic tends to affect any version of Superman the same as it would anyone else. Besides which, it's a rule of thumb that if someone doesn't display a resistance to something through their feats, they don't have said resistance.

[hulahulk]

But comics Supes has a WEAKNESS to magic. Reeves Supes has not demonstrated a weakness to magic. Therefore, it cannot be regarded as a weakness in this case. Right? Or does the resistance thing override what I just said (in a moment of weakness)?

[Slade1]

Magic tends to affect any version of Superman the same as it would anyone else. Besides which, it's a rule of thumb that if someone doesn't display a resistance to something through their feats, they don't have said resistance.

Incorrect. Superman 1M did not have that weakness. The rule of thumb doesn't work in this case. If Superman is resistant to everything else, what proof is there that he is not resistant to magic?

[Primetime Harder]

But comics Supes has a WEAKNESS to magic.

Not since the pre-Crisis days. It just bypasses his durability.

Incorrect. Superman 1M did not have that weakness. The rule of thumb doesn't work in this case. If Superman is resistant to everything else, what proof is there that he is not resistant to magic?

I did say "tends to." 1M had that specifically removed by his 5-D heritage, which fits with him being way more powerful than your average version of Supes. But anyway, that's the complete opposite of how the burden-of-proof works in these situations.

[hulahulk]

Isn't Reeves Supes closer to Pre-Crisis than Post-Crisis? I mean, with the "spin Earth backwards without touching it because my girl died" kinda thing? Isn't that like towing planets with a huge chain?

So, by extension, Reevesy ought to not be weak to magic?

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Isn't Reeves Supes closer to Pre-Crisis than Post-Crisis? I mean, with the "spin Earth backwards without touching it because my girl died" kinda thing? Isn't that like towing planets with a huge chain?

So, by extension, Reevesy ought to not be weak to magic?

Pre-Crisis Supes was crippled by magic.