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    Default Why does Captain Cold wear a jacket?

    He is also drawn with a red nose. Why would the gun make him cold?

    Also, the parka seems dumb and random. At least New 52 had actual powers that froze his very veins. I remember reading Justice, and in the middle of the desert, Cold pressed a button to put on this hot@$$ jacket. Why?

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    Comic book villains wear costumes, often according to their theme. Captain Cold wears a snowy blue jacket because his ability relates to being cold. It doesn't really make any more or less sense than any other villain wearing a costume, though you could argue he gets cold when he creates huge icy environments.

    The New 52 giving him powers just diminished the "everyman" criminal vibe Cold and the Rogues are supposed to represent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogotazo View Post
    Comic book villains wear costumes, often according to their theme. Captain Cold wears a snowy blue jacket because his ability relates to being cold. It doesn't really make any more or less sense than any other villain wearing a costume, though you could argue he gets cold when he creates huge icy environments.

    The New 52 giving him powers just diminished the "everyman" criminal vibe Cold and the Rogues are supposed to represent.
    More like joke. The rogues are pathetic without powers. Justice in particular shows how much of a wimp Cold is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordTrump View Post
    More like joke. The rogues are pathetic without powers. Justice in particular shows how much of a wimp Cold is.
    I don't see how they're pathetic. They can do exactly the same thing, but only with external devices, as they were originally written. I don't see anyone calling Iron Man pathetic simply because he can't shoot repulser beams from his actual chest/hands and requires his armor to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeguy91 View Post
    I don't see how their pathetic. They can do exactly the same thing, but only with external devices, as they were originally written. I don't see anyone calling Iron Man pathetic simply because he can't shoot repulser beams from his actual chest/hands and requires his armor to do so.
    Having a suit that is literally attached to you and augments your body is way different than fighting a guy who runs at light speed with a freakin snow cone maker. Him having the powers as part of him and literally creating the Cold field biologically is way better.

    It's like saying why Kryptinite Man, Metallo, or Titano are more of a threat then say, a blind hobo with one arm, no legs and two teeth trying to throw kryptonite at Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordTrump View Post
    Having a suit that is literally attached to you and augments your body is way different than fighting a guy who runs at light speed with a freakin snow cone maker. Him having the powers as part of him and literally creating the Cold field biologically is way better.

    It's like saying why Kryptinite Man, Metallo, or Titano are more of a threat then say, a blind hobo with one arm, no legs and two teeth trying to throw kryptonite at Superman.
    Except Captain Cold isn't a blind hobo with one leg and one arm. He's a fully able-bodied person who also happens to have cold guns that are essentially the equivalent of him having ice powers. Its not often that he drops them or they run out of "ammo." So, for all intents and purposes, whenever Flash fights him, its as if he is fighting Killer Frost.

    And his guns are the same as snow cone makers the same way a flamethrower is the same as a match.

    Also, I don't see how a character like Mirror Master's power could be made "part" of him. The guy's whole thing is that he uses mirrors (objects external to his person) to perform a variety of acts, like traversing dimensions. Unless you want him to literally be made of glass, you can't make his powers a "part" of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeeguy91 View Post
    Except Captain Cold isn't a blind hobo with one leg and one arm. He's a fully able-bodied person who also happens to have cold guns that are essentially the equivalent of him having ice powers. Its not often that he drops them or they run out of "ammo." So, for all intents and purposes, whenever Flash fights him, its as if he is fighting Killer Frost.

    And his guns are the same as snow cone makers the same way a flamethrower is the same as a match.

    Also, I don't see how a character like Mirror Master's power could be made "part" of him. The guy's whole thing is that he uses mirrors (objects external to his person) to perform a variety of acts, like traversing dimensions. Unless you want him to literally be made of glass, you can't make his powers a "part" of him.
    Except as Cold's finger tighte-

    "Flash is already by Cold, knocks the gun out of his hand, and kicks him in the ice cubes before he can do anything"

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    "Flash super speeds next to Cold, but finds that as he gets closer, he's involuntarily slowing down to a near standstill"

    "Cold already knows and grabs Flash by the throat, freezing him"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordTrump View Post
    Except as Cold's finger tighte-

    "Flash is already by Cold, knocks the gun out of his hand, and kicks him in the ice cubes before he can do anything"

    OR

    "Flash super speeds next to Cold, but finds that as he gets closer, he's involuntarily slowing down to a near standstill"

    "Cold already knows and grabs Flash by the throat, freezing him"
    Wouldn't he then be... Icicle?
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    So you can suspend your disbelief that a guy can run at super-fast speeds but you can't accept a guy with a freeze gun is a viable threat? Makes a TON of sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaijudo View Post
    So you can suspend your disbelief that a guy can run at super-fast speeds but you can't accept a guy with a freeze gun is a viable threat? Makes a TON of sense.
    Seriously? That's like saying "you can believe a guy who knows all kinds of martial arts is a threat, but not that he's a threat against an Abrams tank?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordTrump View Post
    Except as Cold's finger tighte-

    "Flash is already by Cold, knocks the gun out of his hand, and kicks him in the ice cubes before he can do anything"

    OR

    "Flash super speeds next to Cold, but finds that as he gets closer, he's involuntarily slowing down to a near standstill"

    "Cold already knows and grabs Flash by the throat, freezing him"
    The point of the Rogues isn't to be able to take on the Flash one by one in a fair fight. The fact that you think they're "pathetic" without powers leads me to believe you haven't actually read any of the good classic stories featuring with the Rogues. They've always been about strength in numbers and tactics, combining their powers against the Flash. That's threat enough and keeps the characters from becoming generic metahuman villains. The Rogues are blue-collar heist villains that built their weapons with mechanical smarts and have to work together to stay one step ahead.

    Comic books are for stories, not just video game fights where the more powers someone has the better they are as a character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordTrump View Post
    Seriously? That's like saying "you can believe a guy who knows all kinds of martial arts is a threat, but not that he's a threat against an Abrams tank?"
    Seriously. It's fantasy, it's suspension of disbelief, it's goofy fun. If it's too much of a burden for your mind to process, maybe you should stop reading comics, pick up some Proust or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogotazo View Post
    The point of the Rogues isn't to be able to take on the Flash one by one in a fair fight. The fact that you think they're "pathetic" without powers leads me to believe you haven't actually read any of the good classic stories featuring with the Rogues. They've always been about strength in numbers and tactics, combining their powers against the Flash. That's threat enough and keeps the characters from becoming generic metahuman villains. The Rogues are blue-collar heist villains that built their weapons with mechanical smarts and have to work together to stay one step ahead.

    Comic books are for stories, not just video game fights where the more powers someone has the better they are as a character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by batnbreakfast View Post
    Frames this and puts it inside the Louvre
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    Quote Originally Posted by batnbreakfast View Post
    Frames this and puts it inside the Louvre
    Why? It's a nonsense analogy. That's not even how video game fights work.
    And having the powers of their guns doesn't give them more powers. It gives them the exact same powers in a better way.
    Really, the best that comment could hope for at the Louvre would be the dumpster outside.

    Also, how 'everyman' is any criminal using an elemental gun exactly?
    It isn't the shape their powers take that make the rogues 'everyman'. It's their personalities.

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