When is doing all it takes cross the line

[Shriveling_memo]

While everyone hates what happened with the X-Men and Cyclops. The most interesting thing to come out of New Cyclops mouth is that maybe Magneto has changed his ways but it's the x-men.

Regardless of the situation, the mist, restarting the mutant gene. When is it enough is enough, you crossed alone moment, that's say your a villian

[Wolverine12]

If you do something for self gain at the expense of others that is generally the first step towards villainy. I'm not talking about taking a co workers sandwich, but something like letting a roaming death cloud continue to pollute the earth even though you know it kills and sterilizes is a good first step to villainy, even if you try to "help."

[Xelossik]

If you do something for self gain at the expense of others that is generally the first step towards villainy. I'm not talking about taking a co workers sandwich, but something like letting a roaming death cloud continue to pollute the earth even though you know it kills and sterilizes is a good first step to villainy, even if you try to "help."

True. That's why Emma is villain. She sent false message to the world only to feel better. Thanks to that mutants are hated because they started a war and Emma feels better because more people remember Cyclops.

[Anduinel]

If you do something for self gain at the expense of others that is generally the first step towards villainy. I'm not talking about taking a co workers sandwich, but something like letting a roaming death cloud continue to pollute the earth even though you know it kills and sterilizes is a good first step to villainy, even if you try to "help."

Especially if you half-ass the assistance you do give.

[Shriveling_memo]

So did Cyclops, black bolt cross the line? Are marvel right in seeing these characters as villains now? I've always seen Cyclops as right an hero for his people, who got pushed to far. Yet it seems, that saving his people at all cost means he's a villain.

Is that the path of x-men being villains? As they have to make the hard choice of saving themselves over inhumans and humans

[Huntsman Spider]

So did Cyclops, black bolt cross the line? Are marvel right in seeing these characters as villains now? I've always seen Cyclops as right an hero for his people, who got pushed to far. Yet it seems, that saving his people at all cost means he's a villain.

Is that the path of x-men being villains? As they have to make the hard choice of saving themselves over inhumans and humans

It is a pretty complex issue, especially when the comics have repeatedly stated or shown that the Inhumans largely couldn't care less what happens to mutants or humans or anybody else so long as their people are thriving, and most humans would be glad if someone or something got rid of mutants, so focusing on their own survival might be the most rational thing for the X-Men to do in such a clearly, blatantly hostile universe that doesn't care for their existence in particular. Maybe that makes the X-Men the bad guys in human and Inhuman eyes, but then considering that both humans and Inhumans are willing parties to mutant genocide even if only by negligence and inaction, that doesn't exactly make them such good guys, either.

[Adam-X]

While everyone hates what happened with the X-Men and Cyclops. The most interesting thing to come out of New Cyclops mouth is that maybe Magneto has changed his ways but it's the x-men.

Regardless of the situation, the mist, restarting the mutant gene. When is it enough is enough, you crossed alone moment, that's say your a villian

I say they cross the line and become villains when Marvel lets the current batch of writers slaughter, not only the X-Men characters, but the X-Men books.

[Shriveling_memo]

I say they cross the line and become villains when Marvel lets the current batch of writers slaughter, not only the X-Men characters, but the X-Men books.

Yeah we can blame the writers, but we have to go on the story. Even looking at other heroes plight. Was there another way. With schism, Cyclops excuse was that wolverine done worse and look at the situation were in now.

Was those the words of a superhero? I get that Cyclops is more a leader than hero. He had to save his people. Just seems the idea of heroism, especially for the xmen have been cloudy recently.

An the dream for mutants has become magneto dream, do all you can to survive. An as teen cyke said, the reason why he seems like a good guy now days

[Londo Bellian]

Marvel editorial seems to relish stomping on "third options" in these title-vs-title conflicts. In Civil War II with the tie-in arc on the (unfortunate) ANAD "Agents of SHIELD", Coulson was stymied and thwarted by Maria Hill in finding a "middle path" between pro-precog and anti-precog factions, saying the better choice was to let the the two sides battle until one wins.

[Arthas]

Yeah we can blame the writers, but we have to go on the story. Even looking at other heroes plight. Was there another way. With schism, Cyclops excuse was that wolverine done worse and look at the situation were in now.

Was those the words of a superhero? I get that Cyclops is more a leader than hero. He had to save his people. Just seems the idea of heroism, especially for the xmen have been cloudy recently.

An the dream for mutants has become magneto dream, do all you can to survive. An as teen cyke said, the reason why he seems like a good guy now days

Magneto's dream was Mutant Dominance and/or humanity's extinction.

That is very far from the X-men or any mutant actually fighting for survival.

[Shriveling_memo]

During the reign of Cyclops X-Men had there own island, where the mutants all lived. That was very like magneto. Magneto dream was survival as his people were being attacked and a way to stop was dominance. Still comes under survival.

Think if mutants do come flourish after LVX maybe they need to start elstablishing themselves the way they did before under Scott under the island. Black Panther gets away it.

[Kisinith]

The mutants went to Utopia because the population was down to under 300 in total (M-Day) and being openly hunted/persecuted by the US government and for all intents and purposes pushed out of the US (Dark Reign/Dark X-Men), and stayed because the various world governments began stockpiling sentinels. It was also a reaction to outside events and not reflective of what anyone actually wanted. Forting up when whole countries are legitimately out to get you is not indicative of anything other than a basic survival motive.

At the same time they retreated to Utopia under Cyclops the X-Men were still actively trying to promote mutant-human relations (working with a publicist, maintaining a street team and engaging the local government in San Francisco). The only time it crossed the line into anything else was in AvX after being possessed by the Phoenix when they were showing the P-5 as further and further out of control. The idea of comparing Cyclops to Magneto was one of the more idiotic things that came out of schism and AvX. It never made any actual sense and was never supported by any actions in the comics (outside of AvX), its like the ridiculous Cyclops = Hitler nonsense they are pushing in IvX.