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    Not in this wicked system of things.

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    No.

    Humanity has had millennia, but in all this time hasn't come close to doing so.
    Protex: “Tronix! Fluxus! What’s happening there? Zenturion? He’s only one man!”
    Superman: “The most… uh… dangerous man on earth…”
    — Superman on Batman, JLA #3 (Mar. 1997)

    “He’s the most dangerous man alive in any comic universe.” — Wizard Magazine on Doctor Doom (Nov. 1998)

    “[He’s] the most dangerous man in the Marvel universe, because his greatest weapon is the way he thinks and plans, his tremendous intellect.” — Tom Brevoort on T’Challa (Sep. 2010)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenLanternRanger View Post
    Will Mankind Ever Evolve Past Bigotry!?
    Working on it, coincidentally. So how about you?
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    As long as humanity is heterogeneous in any way, shape or form, bigotry will exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beetheb View Post
    As long as humanity is heterogeneous in any way, shape or form, bigotry will exist.
    Which still isn't to say that mankind should but abide to bigotry existing, no matter how heterogeneous li'l old mankind would have to be feeling like.

    It can't be that any being human should or could be giving cause to hurt. Which may sound soft but it's actually hard as ****.

    If wo/man couldn't exist respectfully they just shouldn't, whereas they do, for whatever it's worth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beetle_booster View Post
    Which raises the question: if racism and discrimination is a byproduct of evolution for our survival, why then did we evolve the capacity to think that such things are wrong?
    Why?

    WHY???

    There is no WHY in evolution; there is only who, what, when, where and how!

    There is no reason, therefore there is no why.

    To the OP: No. Because PRIDE is at the root of much of the sorry human condition. Pride causes us to see ourselves as better, or others as lesser. Pride prevents us from seeing the log in our own eyes while we point out the splinter in someone else's. Pride prevents us from helping others who are in need when we see them. As long as there is pride there will always be problems in our world, and bigotry is just one symptom of pride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Star View Post
    Why?

    WHY???

    There is no WHY in evolution; there is only who, what, when, where and how!

    There is no reason, therefore there is no why.

    To the OP: No. Because PRIDE is at the root of much of the sorry human condition. Pride causes us to see ourselves as better, or others as lesser. Pride prevents us from seeing the log in our own eyes while we point out the splinter in someone else's. Pride prevents us from helping others who are in need when we see them. As long as there is pride there will always be problems in our world, and bigotry is just one symptom of pride.
    There's individual pride, and then there's collective egotism. One's more healthy than the other. To quote Eric Hoffer:
    "The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race or his holy cause."
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    Quote Originally Posted by beetle_booster View Post
    Which raises the question: if racism and discrimination is a byproduct of evolution for our survival, why then did we evolve the capacity to think that such things are wrong?
    Evolution doesn't go in a straight line.
    And byproducts of anything are often unwanted. Like nuclear waste and melting icecaps.

    Besides, evolution has got nothing to do with racism. Race is a social construct, not a biological one.

    Quote Originally Posted by JackDaw View Post
    Incidentally, it's at least possible to argue that discrimination against other races is driven by evolutionary forces, and is to some extent logical. If two intelligent races exist in an habitant with limited resources (i.e. any known habitant), then the race willing to stick together and eliminate the other will survive to see it's genes replicate.
    Both of those races are the same species, and they have the same genes. No meaningful selection is here to be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogue Star View Post
    To the OP: Pride causes us to see ourselves as better, or others as lesser. Pride prevents us from seeing the log in our own eyes while we point out the splinter in someone else's. Pride prevents us from helping others who are in need when we see them. As long as there is pride there will always be problems in our world, and bigotry is just one symptom of pride.
    To me it seems pride is pride whereas bigotry will be bigotry. Aspiration doesn't incite hatred (necessarily). Existence doesn't breed conflict and self-defense doesn't equate senselessness. Etcetera on all such excuses or thought loopies.

    To say: should your mere pride, your mere convictions or your mere existence be to hurt or disrespect others, you're most probably doing it wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carabas View Post
    Evolution doesn't go in a straight line.
    And byproducts of anything are often unwanted. Like nuclear waste and melting icecaps.

    Besides, evolution has got nothing to do with racism. Race is a social construct, not a biological one.
    But the fear for thing that are different is something can be tracked down to our ancestors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojotastic View Post
    But the fear for thing that are different is something can be tracked down to our ancestors.
    Bingo. One of the primal instincts of animals is to shy away from the unfamiliar. It presents a risk. Fear and bigotry are very much intertwined, which is one reason it concerns me quite a bit that I see a lot of general perpetuation of fear in our world. People who are afraid will tend to lash out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kees_L View Post
    Which still isn't to say that mankind should but abide to bigotry existing, no matter how heterogeneous li'l old mankind would have to be feeling like.
    The question wasn't whether bigotry should exist, it was if we believed it will continue to exist. And the answer is yes, it will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beetheb View Post
    The question wasn't whether bigotry should exist, it was if we believed it will continue to exist. And the answer is yes, it will.
    What do you think of the "Ozymandias Hypothesis" in Watchmen? Namely - if a big enough, bad enough threat happens to all humanity, we will forget our differences and all band together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Taylor View Post
    What do you think of the "Ozymandias Hypothesis" in Watchmen? Namely - if a big enough, bad enough threat happens to all humanity, we will forget our differences and all band together.
    If a big enough, bad enough threat arrives that will affect all humanity, it'll have to be something that can be hated, vilified and 'fought' like an aggressive Alien Race rather than an Asteroid or something if it's going to work. Even then it's more "I hates them more than you" so I believe our differences will never be truly forgotten but just minimized depending on how well the spin works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Taylor View Post
    What do you think of the "Ozymandias Hypothesis" in Watchmen? Namely - if a big enough, bad enough threat happens to all humanity, we will forget our differences and all band together.
    I think even if we all banded together against some common threat, we'd still have bigotry within the ranks of that resistance. And it's not just about race -- if we were all one homogeneous, tan-skinned species we'd still find ways to discriminate based on age, appearance, gender, sexuality, spiritual beliefs, it just goes on and on.

    Bigotry is defined as, "Stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own." I don't see a point in the future when people stop disagreeing, judging based on appearance, or believing their way is the right way.

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