Worst of Humanity in the X-Books

[Ambaryerno]

While the X-Men have faced their share of evil mutants, mutates, dimensional entities, and other powerful enemies, they've also fought against a number of baseline humans. I'm curious who people think are the nastiest flatscans the X-Men have ever had to deal with.

Please limit this to baseline humans ONLY. No mutates or others who've been artificially enhanced IE Pierce or Sinister.

I'm going to put up two:

The first, for sheer scale, is Reverend Stryker, particularly due to his attacks against the Xavier School in Kyle and Yost's New X-Men. It takes a special kind of douchebaggery to deliberately target children, and his actions after M-Day still have an effect on both the X-Men AND readers, to the point that news the Purifiers would be returning in a big way in the forthcoming Generation X was met with criticism over the lack of the New X-Men in the book's cast.

I also float Zander Rice from Innocence Lost for being just plain personally reprehensible, despite not appearing outside the first two X-23 miniseries. Not only do we have all the things he did to X-23, but he also fathers a child with his boss's wife, (and it should be noted Sutter practically RAISED him) manipulated said boss into giving him total control over the project, and when his wife wanted to confess to the affair, conspires to have her, his boss, and HIS OWN SON murdered to silence her. To say nothing of selling X's services to the likes of Red Skull and Kingpin. Even worse, Rice doesn't have an excuse for any of this, aside from the flimsy justification that he's punishing X-23 for Logan killing his father. He's just a sadistic and manipulative sociopath.

[lollie_poppy]

Oh well, Bolivar Trask is like the worst to me.

He's basicaly the trendstarter of the mutants' hate hysteria imo.

[Ambaryerno]

Oh well, Bolivar Trask is like the worst to me.

He's basicaly the trendstarter of the mutants' hate hysteria imo.

Didn't Trask ultimately have a change of heart and realize he was wrong, though? I thought he sacrificed his life to stop Master Mold after learning that the X-Men were trying to protect humanity. Or am I mixing him up with the 90s 'toon version?

[berserkerclaw]

Didn't Trask ultimately have a change of heart and realize he was wrong, though? I thought he sacrificed his life to stop Master Mold after learning that the X-Men were trying to protect humanity. Or am I mixing him up with the 90s 'toon version?

no your right. he sacrificed himself to save his son Larry from sentinals cause his son was a mutant

[Crabadan]

Interesting thread. Aside of bad Magneto's propaganda, humans always was, are and will be the main thorn in the mutantkind side. Demons and terrorist groups go and gone away, but the hatred and prejudice of humans is eternal.

[Wolverine12]

Stryker is number one, I don't think that is much of an argument.

The Leper Queen was pretty twisted in Kyle and Yost's X-Force.

Trask may have sought redemption but he still made sentinels and those still plague Mutants to this day.

This is more just focused on Wolverine but the Red Right Hand was a bunch of freaking monsters.

[Coal Tiger]

Wonder if Cameron Hodge counts. Yes, he was severely altered, but that seemed kind of immaterial to his power over Genosha.

[ComeOnBunny]

Stryker is number one, I don't think that is much of an argument.

The Leper Queen was pretty twisted in Kyle and Yost's X-Force.

Trask may have sought redemption but he still made sentinels and those still plague Mutants to this day.

This is more just focused on Wolverine but the Red Right Hand was a bunch of freaking monsters.

Wolverine deserved everything the Red Right Hand did to him.

Worst of the humans is Red Skull(He is Baseline human right?) , worst of the humans with powers is Wanda and worst of the Mutants is Xavier Pre House of X.

[Master of Sound]

William Stryker, who is responsible for killing a lot of mutants, like Icarus, DJ, Quill and several other mutant kids. He must be the one rated with the biggest death-tole on mutants

Graydon Creed was the most dangerous one of all for sure. He was getting very close to be elected president, but then got murdered. If he was not killed, he would have had all the power to eliminate all mutants.

Bolivar Trask designed the Sentinels to hunt the mutants. But at that time, no Sentinel really killed any mutants (only in a possible future). So, while alive, I believe his death-tole is zero. But his legacy, the Sentinels, did.

Matthew Risman, the replacement of William Stryker on the Purifiers, he is the guy who killed Wallflower and was probably worse them Stryker himself. He was the one ordered the Purifiers to hunt down and kill the Messiah Baby in Messiah Complex.

Cameron Hodge and Stefan Lang were dangerous too, they all hated mutants and seriously wounded some of them. But were never a real threat to all mutants.

Leaper Queen, the only female human villain, was more successful. She was able to kill some mutants in her journey of hate towards mutants. She killed the Morlock Beautiful Dreamer and Fever Pitch, along with thousands of people. I believe she's the human with hatred towards mutants with the biggest death-tole.

[Ricochet Rita]

Common people who support all the mentioned above, who applaud their interventions in TV, who are their followers in Twitter, who vote them and put money in their projects instead of boycott them. Common people who start their talking with "I'm not racist, but--". Common people who spread messages of hatred while having breakfast in the bar. Common people in favor of border walls and in opposition to same rights to everyone. Common people who don't bring up their children into tolerance and solidarity, but into suspicion and self-interest.

People have the power.

[Lapsus]

Interesting thread. Aside of bad Magneto's propaganda, humans always was, are and will be the main thorn in the mutantkind side. Demons and terrorist groups go and gone away, but the hatred and prejudice of humans is eternal.

Which is a shame and shows a total lack of imagination from the writers.

Almost all X-men conflicts which deal with human-mutant topic have been: evil mutant hates humans and evil human hates mutants. They could explore more themes like:

• Powerfull mutant who doesnt want to increase the number of mutants, "why be just another mutant in krakoa when i can become a god between humans" (the big fish in a small pond, in the land of the blind the one-eye man is king ect...)

• Mutant who despise his mutation and wish to be normal.
- Cyclops: "dont worry Shitface everyone is welcome in krakoa, just remember, mutant and proud" "Yeah sure"

• The ethics of forcing the mutation in humans, if you are born with powers or want to regain them after the M day, its ok, but imagine that you are ok with your normal life and then the next phoenix sperg hits you. Now you are Flyhead the best friend of Shitface.

• Humans who worship mutants, why not? not just support but actual devotion like a cult. Let's be honest, we are idiots, i could actually see many of us wanting Magneto for president.

• Governments and private companies who want to exploit mutants and their gene (Weapon X) or even turning humans in mutant weapons.

• Mutants who work for the government instead of the inhuman scary sentinel, they could be shady and compite with the x-men.

I don't argue that the should be no more discrimination but just reducing everything to human vs mutant is tiresome. Humanity is too complex to be reduced like that, mutants included.

In my opinion, Mutants still lack the alien feel to alienate the humans in unified front, especially when they are part of a shared universe. The grimmdark theme of a possible war would work better in a separate continuity without the rest of the Marvel Universe

[Zelena]

While the X-Men have faced their share of evil mutants, mutates, dimensional entities, and other powerful enemies, they've also fought against a number of baseline humans. I'm curious who people think are the nastiest flatscans the X-Men have ever had to deal with.

Please limit this to baseline humans ONLY. No mutates or others who've been artificially enhanced IE Pierce or Sinister.
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I'm tired of this 'us' versus 'them' philosophy…

[Ulfhammer]

While the X-Men have faced their share of evil mutants, mutates, dimensional entities, and other powerful enemies, they've also fought against a number of baseline humans. I'm curious who people think are the nastiest flatscans the X-Men have ever had to deal with.

Mutants (and other Super Humans) are by far there own worst enemy. All the atrocities of baseline humans over all the years of publishing combined can't even begin to hold a candle to what Cassandra Nova was able to accomplish in a single day, or Scarlet Witch with a few words. Sinister, Apocalypse and Magneto's antics over the years have caused misery and fear for the X-Men and fueled the fire of humanities darker responses. Just the implications of a mutant like Franklin Richards existing should scare the crap out of anyone who needs to maintain a stable society. People complain about needing more gun control. Imagine a small group of individuals with no oversight that each control more power than the world's collective nuclear stockpile.

This is worrying about a stubbed toes while one is in the grips of a massive heart attack.

If we must focus on humans, I'd suggest the U-Men are the worst. At least the majority of other mutant hate groups claim to be protecting there own species from violent and malicious mutants with incredible powers, a legitimate concern given the history of mutants in the 616. The U-Men however are motivated to kill and dismember mutants, entirely for their own self advancement and to serve their deranged agenda.

[Zero Hunter]

Thinking about it I am surprised Marvel has not done a big x-books crossover with someone uniting all the mutant hate groups into one force and really going hard after the mutants. Some of those groups did have pretty advanced tech and could be a real threat if they were untied. Imagine a group made up The Friends of Humanity, The Right, The Purifiers, the Reavers, and the Church of Humanity members. It would be a great way to bring back Graydon Creed and Donald Pierce in a big way.

[Huntsman Spider]

Thinking about it I am surprised Marvel has not done a big x-books crossover with someone uniting all the mutant hate groups into one force and really going hard after the mutants. Some of those groups did have pretty advanced tech and could be a real threat if they were untied. Imagine a group made up The Friends of Humanity, The Right, The Purifiers, the Reavers, and the Church of Humanity members. It would be a great way to bring back Graydon Creed and Donald Pierce in a big way.

With all the mutants united on Krakoa, I could see an alliance similar to the one you're suggesting. Of course, given that Krakoa is an actual sovereign nation-state now . . . I'm thinking the alliance would have to be secretly masterminded by someone in the UN who really, really hates the idea of having to recognize mutants as members of a sovereign nation. The goal would be more to destabilize and undermine Krakoa through this alliance and compel some kind of World War X that this person believes will end in either the destruction of mutants or at least the destruction of Krakoa. Plenty of room for it to backfire on the would-be mastermind, though it could also be fodder for the human world powers to declare war on Krakoa and mutants as a whole.