Logan (Spoilers)

[HowitzerJoe]

So I saw the film. I was wondering for those who have seen it, what did you think? I thought the movie was well done, and the story was fairly good. I cared about what happened to those that were involved, however the ending left me conflicted in regards to Logan's character arc these past 17 years. I know there have obviously been some bumps in the road as far as continuity goes, but Logan has always been that tragic character to me. I just thought he would at least get a little piece of the pie when this was all over for all the crap he's had to go through. But...nope. I just had the feeling that if he had gotten through this escapade he would eventually gotten involved in something else and the same fate would have occurred. There are other questions that probably won't be answered, but I guess that isn't as important since this was Logan's story after all. So, good movie, but I just thought it was missing the Midas touch so to speak.

[motherofpearl1]

So I saw the film. I was wondering for those who have seen it, what did you think? I thought the movie was well done, and the story was fairly good. I cared about what happened to those that were involved, however the ending left me conflicted in regards to Logan's character arc these past 17 years. I know there have obviously been some bumps in the road as far as continuity goes, but Logan has always been that tragic character to me. I just thought he would at least get a little piece of the pie when this was all over for all the crap he's had to go through. But...nope. I just had the feeling that if he had gotten through this escapade he would eventually gotten involved in something else and the same fate would have occurred. There are other questions that probably won't be answered, but I guess that isn't as important since this was Logan's story after all. So, good movie, but I just thought it was missing the Midas touch so to speak.

I think the movie is just an excuse to replace Logan with Laura, to be honest.

[yagha]

So I saw the film. I was wondering for those who have seen it, what did you think? I thought the movie was well done, and the story was fairly good. I cared about what happened to those that were involved, however the ending left me conflicted in regards to Logan's character arc these past 17 years. I know there have obviously been some bumps in the road as far as continuity goes, but Logan has always been that tragic character to me. I just thought he would at least get a little piece of the pie when this was all over for all the crap he's had to go through. But...nope. I just had the feeling that if he had gotten through this escapade he would eventually gotten involved in something else and the same fate would have occurred. There are other questions that probably won't be answered, but I guess that isn't as important since this was Logan's story after all. So, good movie, but I just thought it was missing the Midas touch so to speak.

Yeah, I wanted him to be the head of some new school soooo bad! But his death hit me in the gut like a goddamn freight train. "So that's what that feels like..."

Such a great movie. Ever since I first watched X1 I disliked Logan, probably because I've always been a Cyclops fan. DoFP made me appreciate him all of a sudden (Since he spends the movie getting his ass kicked), but this movie just fully turned me into a Wolverine fanboy. I'm gutted to know that this will be the last Wolverine appearance for Jackman, his backstory just has so much history and weight that Laura doesn't quite have.

I think the movie is just an excuse to replace Logan with Laura, to be honest.

Maybe, but what'll they do with her then? The main X-Movies are taking place in the 80s-90s, and on top of that in a different timeline. I'm thinking they'd have to use time travel, maybe Cable or something.

Or, if they feel so confident, they could make an entirely new school of X-Men with the kids from this movie? Though that seems pretty unlikely.

[HowitzerJoe]

So this is just one possible future correct?

[yagha]

So this is just one possible future correct?

I think so? Unless this is the implied 'happy ending' from DoFP, lol.

As far as I'm aware, it goes like this:

-X1-3 and DoFP (Dystopian ending)
-X1-3 and DoFP (Good ending)
-Logan timeline (Charles mentions cage-fighting and the Statue of Liberty, but nothing beyond that. So it could at least include X1?)
-New timeline (FC, DoFP, Apocalypse)

[Sain]

This was a good film. Gotta watch it a second time when I'm off the high.

[twincast]

I think so? Unless this is the implied 'happy ending' from DoFP, lol.

As far as I'm aware, it goes like this:

-X1-3 and DoFP (Dystopian ending)
-X1-3 and DoFP (Good ending)
-Logan timeline (Charles mentions cage-fighting and the Statue of Liberty, but nothing beyond that. So it could at least include X1?)
-New timeline (FC, DoFP, Apocalypse)

Actually, there's just two timelines (riddled with continuity errors as they may be) so far:
Old: First Class, DoFP until Wolverine's mind gets sent back, Origins: Wolverine, X1-3, The Wolverine, DoFP dystopian future [probably doesn't have X-Men comics]
New: First Class, DoFP past, Apocalypse, (New Mutants), (Supernova), Deadpool, (Deadpool 2), (X-Force), DoFP utopian future epilogue, Logan [has X-Men comics]

[Killercroc357]

When they had Deadpool come up while playing the theme from The Wolverine, that was super.

But when I saw 'Nathan Summers is cumming soon' on the phone booth, I couldn't help but laugh.

[KurtW95]

I think so? Unless this is the implied 'happy ending' from DoFP, lol.

As far as I'm aware, it goes like this:

-X1-3 and DoFP (Dystopian ending)
-X1-3 and DoFP (Good ending)
-Logan timeline (Charles mentions cage-fighting and the Statue of Liberty, but nothing beyond that. So it could at least include X1?)
-New timeline (FC, DoFP, Apocalypse)

I think Logan is likely a separate timeline that splintered off before the sentinel future in DOFP, but after The Wolverine. That would at least make the most sense and be the most convenient for storytelling.

[twincast]

To repost my tweets on the matter in a single paragraph:

Acting etc. in Logan's marvelous throughout, but story makes little sense even for a Fox X-Men film. As stand-alone AU film fantastic. As canonical continuation terrible. And, no, not just cuz it (lazily) negates DoFP's ending. To clarify: In Logan Charles Xavier is a selfish moron time and again that serves little purpose beyond handwaving that there are no X-Men. Past: Had seizure at Xavier's that hurt 600 and killed 7. Somehow enough so Wolverine can't call *anyone*. Present: Insists on spending night with uninvolved family while being hunted by a group of murderers. The former killed his dream somehow, the latter killed 3+ innocents & resulted in ignoble death for Chuck. Speaking of handwaving in Logan: Baddie McBadguy caused end of mutant births over a decade ago, but somehow X-Men losers never found out... And finally, *none* of this explains where the thousands or more of existing mutants suddenly disappeared to in 2029 (Logan's present day).

Additional thoughts: Cry this made me not. Also, I'm slightly annoyed that they made Rictor Laura's generation. And I guess "Lizard Boy" was supposed to be Anole?

Side note:
In The Wolverine I profited from knowing (partly subbed) Japanese.
In Logan my sister profited from knowing (never subbed) Spanish.

So this is just one possible future correct?

Not according to Mangold. He was very adamant about refuting Jackman's statement that the film was "in its own universe". Granted, like other Hollywood peeps working at superhero films, by "universe" he probably just meant that it has its own feel to it to begin with, but either way, that Mangold even bothered to publicly explicitly rip away any and all hope of DoFP's happy ending not getting colossally shat on a mere couple of years later in-universe severely soured me on him. Particularly since there was no reason whatsoever not to set it decades later as - as much as I love Patrick Stewart - it would've worked far better without Chuck. Almost made me not watch the movie.

[Colonel Mortimer]

The way I see it, the timeline has been so fucked up by previous movies that I'm not going to even try to view it in that sense. It's not this movies fault that the timeline is in that state, and if they had dedicated more time to trying to explain continuity stuff it would've detracted from the movie. What we got was a very tight, very satisfying Wolverine movie, and you just gotta sit back and enjoy it. Also, as the movie lays out this is a Charles Xavier who has been mentally ravaged by a sickness, pretty much bed-ridden and hidden from outside contact, I think it's pretty understandable that he doesn't exactly act the way we remember him from the other movies, and in fact I think that was the point.

[SomethingSomethingson]

To repost my tweets on the matter in a single paragraph:

Acting etc. in Logan's marvelous throughout, but story makes little sense even for a Fox X-Men film. As stand-alone AU film fantastic. As canonical continuation terrible. And, no, not just cuz it (lazily) negates DoFP's ending. To clarify: In Logan Charles Xavier is a selfish moron time and again that serves little purpose beyond handwaving that there are no X-Men. Past: Had seizure at Xavier's that hurt 600 and killed 7. Somehow enough so Wolverine can't call *anyone*. Present: Insists on spending night with uninvolved family while being hunted by a group of murderers. The former killed his dream somehow, the latter killed 3+ innocents & resulted in ignoble death for Chuck. Speaking of handwaving in Logan: Baddie McBadguy caused end of mutant births over a decade ago, but somehow X-Men losers never found out... And finally, *none* of this explains where the thousands or more of existing mutants suddenly disappeared to in 2029 (Logan's present day).

They should have just made "The Last of Us", but I guess the budget wasn't big enough. Now before you start trowing stones, I though the first two acts were incredible and emotionally touching... it's the third one that leaves me with a couple of questions. I might have missed it and if someone could clarify them to me, I would be really grateful and appreciate the movie even more. Now I know you have to just accept some things in a comic book movie, but this one was trying to be a more realistic version.

1) Reavers know who Xavier is, where he is and what he can do... so their main plan is to attack a powerful telephat from behind at a close range ?
2) Why were they blaming the tracker for letting the trio escape, when he clearly got them to the hotel on time.
3) How did they keep the kids in check in the "cloning facility" ? At first I though it was a version of null collars, but we could see them using their powers even while handcuffed.
4) They clearly mentioned it a couple of times, that the kids are to be killed... why are they been captured alive ? They know that those kids have dangerous powers, yet they willingly come into contact and tackle them, just to get ripped into pieces the next moment.
5) Weren't all the clones part of the same training, conditioning and growing procedure ? So why is Laura the only one seemingly emotionally stunned and willing to kill right away, while the rest of the more powerful individuals run away and can barely kill one person at a time ?
6) How is that not the most bleakest endings for the X-men dream ? Not only did Logan and Xavier failed everyone, but the modified food that kills the x-gene is still present in every product everyone consumes. So the mutant kids are still going to die in a couple of years, with Laura slowly starting to suffer from adamantium poisoning as Logan did.

and that's not touching on the fact that America is not the main food source for the whole world and there are other mutants with stronger healing factors than Logan.... but I can ignore it for story purposes.

[Mark Trail]

Mangold... was very adamant about refuting Jackman's statement that the film was "in its own universe". ....

Let's face it: Wolverine and the X-men are too valuable for Fox not to consider rebooting and/or recasting if and when the time comes.

[GizmotheStark89]

I think the movie is just an excuse to replace Logan with Laura, to be honest.

That's an incredibly cynical and shallow critique that dismisses the genuine storytelling and effort put into the film.

On that note, I think comic book fans are their worst enemies sometimes. They get so hung up on arbitrary and ultimately pointless things like how something works in a timeline they can't let themselves just enjoy or not enjoy a film on it's own terms. Comics are continuity disasters that ignore and acknowledge things as the creators see fit. And fans either go with it or not. I see no reason why these films can't do the same. Logan is getting praise for a reason. And if someone can't let go of the obsession of having every little thing fit in with some kind of continuity to enjoy a great film, that's their choice and they have the right to it. I just think it's silly and shallow.

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I thought it was excellent. A-

I wasn't expecting this to be as long as it was, but it was enjoyable.

The relative lack of a bunch of mutants (aside the kids) was a good thing for the narrative.

Logan here is very war-weary. I'm not sure when it was established that adamantium was actually poisonous to his body? Curious.

It's good that we don't know too much about how many of the X-Men died. some may still be alive, living their lives, somewhere.

A cool final go-round for Patrick Stewart, it would have been interesting if he were the narrator-- even up until the end. So, no astral-projection get-out-of-death-card at the end? Hmmm...
Interesting that we see the "micro" version of his "seizure blast" power-- we saw it used against his will in X2, but for the most part we never really were exposed to the consequences (anyone operating/riding in any kind of vehicle would have been in a hell of a mess)..

Pierce and the Reavers were a good enough bunch of adversaries. No 'super' powers but the guns and bionic limbs were enough.

The fight at Logan's desert hideout was tremendous-- lots of twists, for sure, including the end chase in the limo.

Dr. Rice was not that compelling, to me. I guess they had to do something with him.

The Shane allegory seemed to fit, though I don't remember ever having seen that film on TV.

Glad to see Eriq LaSalle and Elise Neal in a high profile film again. The subplot/sidebar about corporate agriculture was a little surprising, I'm not sure how many people really got what was being hinted at.

And yeah, it's pretty awful that they ended up being victimized by the villains-- I couldn't help but think that in Origins, another kindly couple welcomed Logan, only for tragedy to strike.. I can only presume that the filmmakers knew they were kind of revisiting a similar scenario.

Caliban had a nice small role again. He got a rise out of the audience when he mentioned preparing a particular dessert for Professor X. I don't think a lot of Americans know what it is.

I was vaguely thinking about 'Albert' myself when the evil clone showed up. I presume his bones weren't adamantium-treated, just the claws?
this was a much better use of an adamantium bullet in the climax compared to Origins.

The in-story X-Men comics were a nice touch. I'm surprised that there is an online fan contingent who have assumed it was a diss to fan culture.

The girl who played X-23 was impressive. Intriguing that the story made her mute for most of the film until Act 3. I wonder if she was involved in most of her own stunts? Those were all some intense, violent fighting sequences. Wow.

I doubt she'll play her again immediately. But we'll see, I guess. I predict that Fox would prefer to cast an older teen for a PG-13 film.

I was surprised that the filmmakers were allowed to make a film as violent as this was, especially involving a child character. Then again, I'm reminded of the Kick-@$$ films, but those were at least moderately satirical.

I did want Live Shreiber to show up as Sabertooth. Maybe he could have been the secret henchman, super-bitter about being older/dying but willing to work with Alkali-Transigen to extend his life.