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[Xelossik]

With Magneto KO'd Black Bolt could solo this battle still. Majority of the cast are glass canons.

X-men still have strong members. Any character who alone beat Thor, Vision, Wonderman, Spider-woman plus one or two more Avengers can fight against BB without voice.

[Revoirver2]

now that i think about it. are any mistake in X-men side in IvX like Forge machine guard, is part of Emma Plan ?. so she can manipulated X-men to kill all Royal Inhuman.

[XPac]

So she can still attack Queen Medusa and her loyal subjects ?.

Magneto already did, so that ship has sort of sailed.

But in the least, attacking the Royals actually makes sense.

[theoneandonly]

With Magneto KO'd Black Bolt could solo this battle still. Majority of the cast are glass canons.



I don't see how. Maximus healed him back to full capacity after the t-bomb, he's used his electron powers in other series. Soule just seems to forget he has them half the time because BB's true powerset makes it hard for there to be stakes. Hence this bs taking of his voice for IVX.

if he is full powered then it rather becomes difficult so then it might not be so and emma will lose but then again his primary ability of manipulating electrons comes from the speech part of his brain so maybe they have found some way to scramble that part of his brain which controls his powers and the muzzle is just an additional precaution.

[Vegeta]

Ah, that's a shame.

I'd rather she be dead than reverted to a villain, decades of wasted character growth.

I'm certainly not thrilled to see the character regress into villainy, but the alternative is kind of worse.

1.) She could remain dead for over a decade like Jean Grey, with (at best) cheap imitations "filling the void" ala Hope Summers and currently "Teen Jeen" (who annoys me to no end).

2.) Marvel's resurrection stories and retcons ARE always terrible. (Captain America and the "magic time bullet," the Magneto retcon of Xorn's brother disguised as Magneto disguised as Xorn bull crap, Aunt May was really a genetically modified actress, and most recently, Ben Reilly's return as the Jackal in "Clone Conspiracy.")

[Iron Fist]

if he is full powered then it rather becomes difficult so then it might not be so and emma will lose but then again his primary ability of manipulating electrons comes from the speech part of his brain so maybe they have found some way to scramble that part of his brain which controls his powers and the muzzle is just an additional precaution.

No it doesn't?

His electron manipulating abilities come from the fork on his head. Taking black bolt's voice doesn't affect his other powers as in Uncanny Inhumans 17.

[theoneandonly]

No it doesn't?

His electron manipulating abilities come from the fork on his head. Taking black bolt's voice doesn't affect his other powers as in Uncanny Inhumans 17.

no he uses it tk manipulate electrons but it only helps him control the power and actually the power is innate and stems from the part of his brain linked with speech center which is why the sonic scream is triggered involuntarily whenever he tries to speak. originally maybe they may have stated that it depends on the tuning fork but later they must have retconed it to be linked indirectly to his voice through the speech center of brain.

[Iron Fist]

no he uses it tk manipulate electrons but it only helps him control the power and actually the power is innate and stems from the part of his brain linked with speech center which is why the sonic scream is triggered involuntarily whenever he tries to speak. originally maybe they may have stated that it depends on the tuning fork but later they must have retconed it to be linked indirectly to his voice through the speech center of brain.

Again no it's not.

Black Bolt could destroy a city by sneezing, whether he speaks words or grunts or sneezes, any verbalisation will be cause damage. It's got nothing to do with his brain, it's the frequency of his vocal range.

You can't just turn it off with telepathy or violence. Obviously Soule isn't going to explain what happened to his voice I imagine, the only effective way we've seen so far is if someone who manipulates sound (like Auran) can steal the damaging effects of it.

[Headache]

I think the key thing here is that it shows fairly conclusively, though there will always be those who argue with what is shown on panel, that if anyone was "Right" it was Havok.

The heart of the issue on these forums has always seemed to be (from my POV) that X-fans have argued the necessity of doing whatever it takes to stop the cloud while Inhumans supporters have argued that the way the X-Folks have gone about it is counterproductive and wrong. One side saying there is no other way, the other saying that there were other ways and that this option was chosen because due to ill-intent. We see here that by her own admission it was always Emma's intent to kill as many inhumans as possible. That she had built her entire plan with the endgame being slaughter.

The way I see it, and I am confident that other people will argue this to suit their own narratives, if you make a plan that has mass murder as one of its objectives then you had the option of making one that did not. She looked at the options that resulted in less death and she rejected them. Kill Black Bolt at the first opportunity? The majority of other X-Folks, like Storm who insisted repeatedly that she was only willing to go along with it because it wasn't about killing anyone, would turn against her plan and she would end up with only one scalp on her belt. Arrange to have all the Royals killed in Limbo? Couldn't do it herself and the amount of manpower needed to do so would get noticed by the other mutants and again, they turn against her. Talk things out with the Inhumans? Risk the fact they may be reasonable and you have no pretense to throw your entire race into the war that you feel you need to get the manpower to do all the killing you desire.

Havok's statement wasn't about the cross purposes of their people, re: terrigen, causing a conflict. He was pointing out that the fact that that conflict took the form that it did...that it escalated to a War, was due to Emma and by extension Scott. At the end of the day, he was right. The cloud could have been dealt with other ways, the two races could have worked out their disagreement in other ways, there could have been a peaceful resolution to this entire matter...the reason there isn't is not because of the Inhumans. It is because of Emma Frost. She was petty in her desire for revenge and she let that blind her to superior alternatives for resolution. She was evil in that the only form of restitution she would accept for the accidental death of her loved one was the murder of, not one, but many Inhumans.

She put herself above her people. She acted in a way that no morality can justify. She was wrong.

Emma was wrong.

[Blue Reloaded]

He actually has other powers other than his voice and his strength/flight, its jst rarely used these days

His voice is actually his secondary power. His primary power is the energy beam that is focused through the fork. It's that same energy that he is also able to focus through his vocal chords for his most famous power.

[Namor'sWrath]

Still getting my "Emma was right" shirt ready!

[CuteClops]

I think the key thing here is that it shows fairly conclusively, though there will always be those who argue with what is shown on panel, that if anyone was "Right" it was Havok.

The heart of the issue on these forums has always seemed to be (from my POV) that X-fans have argued the necessity of doing whatever it takes to stop the cloud while Inhumans supporters have argued that the way the X-Folks have gone about it is counterproductive and wrong. One side saying there is no other way, the other saying that there were other ways and that this option was chosen because due to ill-intent. We see here that by her own admission it was always Emma's intent to kill as many inhumans as possible. That she had built her entire plan with the endgame being slaughter.

The way I see it, and I am confident that other people will argue this to suit their own narratives, if you make a plan that has mass murder as one of its objectives then you had the option of making one that did not. She looked at the options that resulted in less death and she rejected them. Kill Black Bolt at the first opportunity? The majority of other X-Folks, like Storm who insisted repeatedly that she was only willing to go along with it because it wasn't about killing anyone, would turn against her plan and she would end up with only one scalp on her belt. Arrange to have all the Royals killed in Limbo? Couldn't do it herself and the amount of manpower needed to do so would get noticed by the other mutants and again, they turn against her. Talk things out with the Inhumans? Risk the fact they may be reasonable and you have no pretense to throw your entire race into the war that you feel you need to get the manpower to do all the killing you desire.

Havok's statement wasn't about the cross purposes of their people, re: terrigen, causing a conflict. He was pointing out that the fact that that conflict took the form that it did...that it escalated to a War, was due to Emma and by extension Scott. At the end of the day, he was right. The cloud could have been dealt with other ways, the two races could have worked out their disagreement in other ways, there could have been a peaceful resolution to this entire matter...the reason there isn't is not because of the Inhumans. It is because of Emma Frost. She was petty in her desire for revenge and she let that blind her to superior alternatives for resolution. She was evil in that the only form of restitution she would accept for the accidental death of her loved one was the murder of, not one, but many Inhumans.

She put herself above her people. She acted in a way that no morality can justify. She was wrong.

Emma was wrong.

EIGHT months and NOTHING! Do you remember? The GENOCIDAL cloud, remember? Black Bolt and Medusa are killers, remember?

Delenda est!!!



Actually, Emma Frost IS right!

[Blue Reloaded]

Still getting my "Emma was right" shirt ready!

As you've already said multiple times in this thread. Stop it.

[rpmaluki]

I think the key thing here is that it shows fairly conclusively, though there will always be those who argue with what is shown on panel, that if anyone was "Right" it was Havok.

The heart of the issue on these forums has always seemed to be (from my POV) that X-fans have argued the necessity of doing whatever it takes to stop the cloud while Inhumans supporters have argued that the way the X-Folks have gone about it is counterproductive and wrong. One side saying there is no other way, the other saying that there were other ways and that this option was chosen because due to ill-intent. We see here that by her own admission it was always Emma's intent to kill as many inhumans as possible. That she had built her entire plan with the endgame being slaughter.

The way I see it, and I am confident that other people will argue this to suit their own narratives, if you make a plan that has mass murder as one of its objectives then you had the option of making one that did not. She looked at the options that resulted in less death and she rejected them. Kill Black Bolt at the first opportunity? The majority of other X-Folks, like Storm who insisted repeatedly that she was only willing to go along with it because it wasn't about killing anyone, would turn against her plan and she would end up with only one scalp on her belt. Arrange to have all the Royals killed in Limbo? Couldn't do it herself and the amount of manpower needed to do so would get noticed by the other mutants and again, they turn against her. Talk things out with the Inhumans? Risk the fact they may be reasonable and you have no pretense to throw your entire race into the war that you feel you need to get the manpower to do all the killing you desire.

Havok's statement wasn't about the cross purposes of their people, re: terrigen, causing a conflict. He was pointing out that the fact that that conflict took the form that it did...that it escalated to a War, was due to Emma and by extension Scott. At the end of the day, he was right. The cloud could have been dealt with other ways, the two races could have worked out their disagreement in other ways, there could have been a peaceful resolution to this entire matter...the reason there isn't is not because of the Inhumans. It is because of Emma Frost. She was petty in her desire for revenge and she let that blind her to superior alternatives for resolution. She was evil in that the only form of restitution she would accept for the accidental death of her loved one was the murder of, not one, but many Inhumans.

She put herself above her people. She acted in a way that no morality can justify. She was wrong.

Emma was wrong.

Quoted for truth. The terrigen matter could have ended when they mutants found out about the two week dead line. Inhumans aren't pushing for the extermination of all mutants, had they been told the situation was beyond their efforts and a machine existed that could suck up the terrigen, solidify it, it could have been handed over to the inhumans, both sides could have reached mutual agreement and go their separate ways. Emma wasn't ever interested in a peaceful resolution even if one could be reached without further loss of life and an ill intended war between the two species. In the end, Emma was wrong.

[Blue Reloaded]

Quoted for truth. The terrigen matter could have ended when they mutants found out about the two week dead line. Inhumans aren't pushing for the extermination of all mutants, had they been told the situation was beyond their efforts and a machine existed that could suck up the terrigen, solidify it, it could have been handed over to the inhumans, both sides could have reached mutual agreement and go their separate ways. Emma wasn't ever interested in a peaceful resolution even if one could be reached without further loss of life and an ill intended war between the two species. In the end, Emma was wrong.

This was the most ridiculous moment of the entire conflict. Forge explains he can suck it up and solidify it, but instead of handing over a safely solidified version of the mist, he tells the NuHumans he is going to incinerate it.

Of course that is going to cause conflict.