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[Wiccan]

How dare Rogue not want to kill people? What a monster!

[Iron Fist]

The Deadpool tie-in showed the inhumans attacking even when the cloud was kept intact for Inhumans and inert to mutants. The clash was inevitable. It's naive to think otherwise. Emma was right.

Deadpool isn't written by Soule or Lemire and is an alternate reality in a Deadpool book which is essentially a parody book anyway, it's not canon

I think you're going to be very disappointed if you think Medusa is going to come out smelling like roses.

Emma's intent was never to kill Inhumans what Emma said in that panel is that it is naive to think the Inhumans c X-Men were not gong to fight to the death. If the X-Mendesrroyed the second cloud they'd still have to fight the Inhumans that's what she meant.

Frost already had several opportunities to kill the Inhumans.

First which she stated that she showed them kindness in not changing the cloud into an inhuman killing cloud.
Second when she had them trapped.

Medusa threatened Havok with death and intent was to execute Cyclops real or fake. You will find that she is going to do everything to protect the cloud and come across as a zealot.

Panel literally proves you wrong, it says killing Inhumans was always the plan

Though it wouldn't change that it was deadly to mutants, and the Inhumans already released the cloud on their own so who would say that they wouldn't do it again...the X-men have no reason to trust any of the Inhumans if they say that they wouldn't...

Basic logic? I mean it's the x-men so basic logic need not apply.

But if the Inhumans wanted the X-Men dead they wouldn't need to wait for the mist, they could make Reader read "no more mutants", he can't control if it happens or not, what he reads comes true.

They could also have thrown Black Bolt into Limbo and levelled the school and majority of the dimension.

If the inhumans wanted the X-Men dead, they'd be dead.

But of course I'm sure she planned from the beginning that Karnak would escape along with Medusa and BB. She also anticipated that the nuhumans would destroy the Forge machine or make an alliance with some X-mens to destroy the mist. Or that the royal family would appear just as the X-men were about to enter a battle with the nuhumans .

I'm really impressed at how Emma manages to manipulate everyone .

I don't think she thought she could predict all these things, I mean she's delusional enough atm she may well think that way.

It seemed more like she was always banking on the capability of the Inhumans to get free so she could have them killed.

I think the key thing here is that it shows fairly conclusively, though there will always be those who argue with what is shown on panel, that if anyone was "Right" it was Havok.

The heart of the issue on these forums has always seemed to be (from my POV) that X-fans have argued the necessity of doing whatever it takes to stop the cloud while Inhumans supporters have argued that the way the X-Folks have gone about it is counterproductive and wrong. One side saying there is no other way, the other saying that there were other ways and that this option was chosen because due to ill-intent. We see here that by her own admission it was always Emma's intent to kill as many inhumans as possible. That she had built her entire plan with the endgame being slaughter.

The way I see it, and I am confident that other people will argue this to suit their own narratives, if you make a plan that has mass murder as one of its objectives then you had the option of making one that did not. She looked at the options that resulted in less death and she rejected them. Kill Black Bolt at the first opportunity? The majority of other X-Folks, like Storm who insisted repeatedly that she was only willing to go along with it because it wasn't about killing anyone, would turn against her plan and she would end up with only one scalp on her belt. Arrange to have all the Royals killed in Limbo? Couldn't do it herself and the amount of manpower needed to do so would get noticed by the other mutants and again, they turn against her. Talk things out with the Inhumans? Risk the fact they may be reasonable and you have no pretense to throw your entire race into the war that you feel you need to get the manpower to do all the killing you desire.

Havok's statement wasn't about the cross purposes of their people, re: terrigen, causing a conflict. He was pointing out that the fact that that conflict took the form that it did...that it escalated to a War, was due to Emma and by extension Scott. At the end of the day, he was right. The cloud could have been dealt with other ways, the two races could have worked out their disagreement in other ways, there could have been a peaceful resolution to this entire matter...the reason there isn't is not because of the Inhumans. It is because of Emma Frost. She was petty in her desire for revenge and she let that blind her to superior alternatives for resolution. She was evil in that the only form of restitution she would accept for the accidental death of her loved one was the murder of, not one, but many Inhumans.

She put herself above her people. She acted in a way that no morality can justify. She was wrong.

Emma was wrong.

Perfect post.

[ExodusCloak]

They destroyed the machine before they knew there was two weeks before the mists fully saturated the atmosphere. Before then Iso believed there was still time to find a solution that would help the mutants without destroying the cloud. Now that they know there's no time, they are rebuilding the machine with Forge.

There's a major difference between the motivation of the Royal family and the Nuhumans. Medusa is going to fight the Nuhumans to protect the cloud knowing that there's 2 weeks left

[Iron Fist]

There's a major difference between the motivation of the Royal family and the Nuhumans. Medusa is going to fight the Nuhumans to protect the cloud knowing that there's 2 weeks left

Okay, so prove it.

[rpmaluki]

@ExodusCloak: You have no way of knowing that.

[ExodusCloak]

Deadpool isn't written by Soule or Lemire and is an alternate reality in a Deadpool book which is essentially a parody book anyway, it's not canon



Panel literally proves you wrong, it says killing Inhumans was always the plan



Basic logic? I mean it's the x-men so basic logic need not apply.

But if the Inhumans wanted the X-Men dead they wouldn't need to wait for the mist, they could make Reader read "no more mutants", he can't control if it happens or not, what he reads comes true.

They could also have thrown Black Bolt into Limbo and levelled the school and majority of the dimension.

If the inhumans wanted the X-Men dead, they'd be dead.



I don't think she thought she could predict all these things, I mean she's delusional enough atm she may well think that way.

It seemed more like she was always banking on the capability of the Inhumans to get free so she could have them killed.



Perfect post.

She never said it was part of the plan.

"don't be naive it was always going to be both" anyone with a shred of reading comprehension knows that means inevitable. It was always inevitable that the inhumans would escape and they'd clash and it was always inevitable that they'd have to fight cloud or no cloud.

Had the X-Men succeeded hours ago they'd still have to fight the inhumans
Again panel proof in DoX 4, and plenty opportunities plus context and reading comprehension has you well wrong.

[Iron Fist]

She never said it was part of the plan.

"don't be naive it was always going to be both" anyone with a shred of reading comprehension knows that means inevitable. It was always inevitable that the inhumans would escape and they'd clash and it was always inevitable that they'd have to fight cloud or no cloud.

Had the X-Men succeeded hours ago they'd still have to fight the inhumans
Again panel proof in DoX 4, and plenty opportunities plus context and reading comprehension has you well wrong.

It was always inevitable that she'd used the telepaths to murder the Inhumans? No.

It just shows that she always thought that was the endgame thus part of her plans.

[LoganAlpha30X33]

And if the X-men wanted the Inhumans dead they would be, BB would have been dead weeks ago remember...and Medusa has shown that she's not willing to alter or stop the cloud so it's logic to think that she'd fight any attempt to affect the cloud, and the X-men have more than enough firepower to stand up to any of the Inhumans, who seem to suddenly have get out of jail free characters pop up just when they need them...and then if Reader could do that why didn't he just change the cloud to be not toxic to mutants as soon as they found out that it was, they've had months and months of that knowledge and yet...nothing, not even an attempt at it...

[ExodusCloak]

You have no way of knowing that.

The fact that they never lifted a finger to stop the cloud when it was killing mutants when it took forge a few days. And I know this because the only way for the story to progress is that the Royals protect the cloud at any cost. Black bolt also gets locked up. It's also the reason why an intermediary team was created to mediate.

[Iron Fist]

The fact that they never lifted a finger to stop the cloud when it was killing mutants

Factually incorrect.

when it took forge a few days.

So why didn't he build a machine to contain the cloud? We know he can.

And I know this because the only way for the story to progress is that the Royals protect the cloud at any cost.

Again, prove it. You have zero evidence that the Inhumans would prioritise the cloud over concrete evidence the cloud will kill all mutants.

It's also the reason why an intermediary team was created to mediate.

Meditation for truce was necessary because of Emma Frost's behaviour and warmongering, nothing else.

[ExodusCloak]

It was always inevitable that she'd used the telepaths to murder the Inhumans? No.

It just shows that she always thought that was the endgame thus part of her plans.

She could have made the cloud an inhuman killing cloud in DoX4 it's stated there. Plenty of opportunity. It was inevitable that they would go to war. Hence calling Rogue naive. They were going to clash anyway. That is inevitable. Medusa is out to murder

[Iron Fist]

She could have made the cloud an inhuman killing cloud in DoX4 it's stated there. Plenty of opportunity. It was inevitable that they would go to war. Hence calling Rogue naive. They were going to clash anyway. That is inevitable. Medusa is out to murder

Of course she is out for murder. The X-Men attacked her city, killed her people, put them in hell and maimed her husband without just cause.

Who wouldn't be royally pissed off?

[ExodusCloak]

Factually incorrect.


So why didn't he build a machine to contain the cloud? We know he can.

Again, prove it. You have zero evidence that the Inhumans would prioritise the cloud over concrete evidence the cloud will kill all mutants.

Meditation for truce was necessary because of Emma Frost's behaviour and warmongering, nothing else.

Oh really still saw many mutants dying it pits and the inhumans still not letting anyone near the cloud to destroy it. Hence why forge couldn't build one to destroy it because the inhumans won't let them. Okay we will wait for the issue to come out you were already proven wrong on the Doc thing about Medusa ordering the execution.

It's obvious where the story has to head in order to fill a double sized issue.

[LoganAlpha30X33]

Actually we do know that after Medusa knew that the cloud was killing mutants her response was not to stop the clouds, just to send a few Inhumans out to move around a few mutants...it's like trying to bail out your sinking boat with a thimble...

When did the X-men kill Inhumans, so far they seem to have only detained the citizens, or at least most of them...

[Iron Fist]

Actually we do know that after Medusa knew that the cloud was killing mutants her response was not to stop the clouds, just to send a few Inhumans out to move around a few mutants...it's like trying to bail out your sinking boat with a thimble...

When did the X-men kill Inhumans, so far they seem to have only detained the citizens, or at least most of them...

It's called a compromise as part of the truce.

Medusa doesn't know the cloud will kill all mutants in 2 weeks. Without her having that information no one can claim she'll put the cloud above everyone else.

Oh really still saw many mutants dying it pits. Okay we will wait for the issue to come out you were already proven wrong on the Doc thing about Medusa ordering the execution.

It's obvious where the story has to head in order to fill a double sided issue.

There we no mutants dying in pits from the cloud.