IvX #6 SPOILERS, oh boi

[XPac]

You'll have to see if Medusa's hair is really capable of harming Emma in her diamond form. Which I don't see anyone discussing yet here.

I always wondered how strong Medusa's hair really is. DId the old handbooks back in the day ever state how much her hair can bench press?

[cranger]

No that's what the complexes want to believe instead of the multiple actions that shown Medusa doesn't want mutants dead. Otherwise she would have told Storm in DOX# that she doesn't care about the mutants.

I am not saying Medusa does not have some compassion for mutants, but go read Extraordinary X-Men #1. Until you read at least that one book you just don't have the information needed to discuss this.

[Iron Fist]

So you do need clarification. The claim was that the plans had nothing to do with the cloud. The claim was that if the X-Men attacked the cloud then the Inhumans would not fight over it.

It depends, if the X-Men told the Inhumans about the 2 weeks then they'd likely not attack them, most likely support them. If they did it without telling them anything, then they'd attack.

[XPac]

It was more your claim that basically we as readers knew this. My stance is that everything written in this story and leading up to it suggests that Medusa would actually have protected the cloud at all costs, and that at the least there is nothing ever shown in the books that suggests to the readers that she would ever allow the cloud to be destroyed.

I don't think readers 100% knew... obviously we're not Ulysses.

But some believed she would and some believed she wouldn't. The ones who believed she would destroy the cloud ended up being right.

[Heroine Addict]

With them getting a push on TV and probably the movies further down the road? Doubt that.

Glad to hear about Medusa stepping up against Emma. Will be getting this later today.

Yeah, but the hope is that when you're trying to give people something... they'll actually want it. Otherwise, they may not... accept it. And from what I can tell, Marvel publishing has inadvertently created a predisposed aversion to them now, basically... in a fairly large contingent of the fanbase, no less. They shouldn't be surprised though really, who in their right would ever think "forced feeding" would be received... willingly?

[cranger]

It depends, if the X-Men told the Inhumans about the 2 weeks then they'd likely not attack them, most likely support them. If they did it without telling them anything, then they'd attack.

It is a story, and as written everything suggested the Inhumans would defend the cloud. This is the setup as given to us by the writer himself. The writer then contradicting himself in the final chapter is bad writing that leaves it unclear what would have happened.

However, my statement, again, was only about the claim that the plans were not there to protect the cloud, when clearly the plans were there to protect the cloud.

[Ezenwammadu]

Medusa knew the cloud was murdering and sterlizing mutants yet did nothing until the holy spirit touched her soul........ laughable bullshit

Remember that time synapase told medusa to destroy the cloud after hellion was poisoned by the holy cloud in uncanny avengers and she LAMO hell no.........good times

[Tofali]

You'll have to see if Medusa's hair is really capable of harming Emma in her diamond form. Which I don't see anyone discussing yet here.

You mean the fragment of diamond



now that would be rubbing salt on open wounds Ravin Ray

[Iron Fist]

It is a story, and as written everything suggested the Inhumans would defend the cloud. This is the setup as given to us by the writer himself. The writer then contradicting himself in the final chapter is bad writing that leaves it unclear what would have happened.

However, my statement, again, was only about the claim that the plans were not there to protect the cloud, when clearly the plans were there to protect the cloud.

Nothing was contradicted in #6 though?

What do you think the contradiction is?

You mean the fragment of diamond


now that would be rubbing salt on open wounds Ravin Ray

Medusa's hair is unbreakable and paramount to super strength, we've seen it pull quinjets out of the sky.

I don't see why her hair couldn't destroy Emma's diamond form?

[cranger]

I don't think readers 100% knew... obviously we're not Ulysses.

But some believed she would and some believed she wouldn't. The ones who believed she would destroy the cloud ended up being right.

Fair enough. I am curious, and I say this as someone who appreciates storytelling as an art, what part in this story foreshadowed that?

[Ravin' Ray]

DId the old handbooks back in the day ever state how much her hair can bench press?

I don't recall… but on another front, it was dumb of Psylocke to underestimate Medusa. Sword vs hair with longer reach which Medusa wielded both as a whip and as a punching glove.

[Heroine Addict]

... How incompetent does Emma look?

How badly did this entire IvX marketing ploy make the Inhumans look?

[AquaLantern]

Responses in bold.

So you admit you knew Medusa knew the Terrigen Cloud was killing, sterilizing and causing M-Pox with the mutants. But it's only at the 11th hour, after being stalwart with "the mists are sacred + after being thoroughly rooted by Emma that Medusa suddenly sees the light and says that 1 mutant life =/= keeping the cloud.

She knew the minute Storm told her about it in DOX and worked out a truce to find a cure for M-Pox and protecting mutants from the terrigen cloud.
They weren't protecting them. They were moving them out of the cloud's way and relocating them. Putting off the problem (the cloud), and instead moving the mutants. As if that was a solution to the problem the mutants faced.
Relocating mutants from a cloud that poisons them is pretty much protection. Would you say relocating people from a hurricane path isn't the same as protection?

Because it's the end of the story and everything Medusa said previously doesn't matter. A lot like Cyclops and teen Cyclops being called Hitler by various characters in the MU and writers at Marvel. When it came to finally address this (IvX #5) Soule and Lemire dedicated one panel to it and moved on. Always forward with Marvel now. Doesn't matter if the new material contradicts or doesn't mesh with the previous material. Even if it's written by the same writing team.
Oh disregard everyone the opposing side states because it may debunk theories of "The Inhumans want mutants dead"
Or, Soule and Lemire didn't want to have two hardcore female villains for the MU going forward. Haha.
Thank god Storm came to her senses and the end, because zapping Beast in the back was a dick move.

Considering what happened during DoX and the terms of the truce the mutants signed with the Inhumans, I don't imagine the Inhuman Royals would've been receptive to destroying the last cloud.
They may not be fond of the idea but it doesn't mean they wouldn't do it if someone from the damn X-men told them the situation.
Also, X-Fans know it's not the Inhumans who want the mutants dead. The real villains here are the writers and editors at Marvel.
Really because the last few months has shown a number of X-fans really believe Inhumans wanted them dead and don't care about their situation. Also rarely have I've seen someone firmly on the X-men side blame the Marvel editors for coming up with this idiotic plot point.

[Iron Fist]

Fair enough. I am curious, and I say this as someone who appreciates storytelling as an art, what part in this story foreshadowed that?

Medusa has said various times she doesn't want more death, so the idea she'd happily let the cloud kill all the mutants doesn't mesh with that.

[cranger]

Nothing was contradicted in #6 though?

What do you think the contradiction is?

I just told you what the contradiction was. The premise of the story was that the Inhumans would not allow the cloud to be destroyed. The story ends with Medusa acting as if destroying the cloud is no big deal.

Also, don't change your tune, you are well on the record as believing the destruction of the cloud is the end on the Inhuman species.